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	<title>Comments on: A 3rd Pawlenty Administration ????????? Yeah, I Got Some Questions Alright</title>
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	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
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		<title>By: Residual Forces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MNGOP Leadership Rumblings</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/11/19/a-3rd-pawlenty-administration-yeah-i-got-some-questions-alright/comment-page-1/#comment-43427</link>
		<dc:creator>Residual Forces &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MNGOP Leadership Rumblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All in all, this leadership election is going to come down to how badly Pawlenty wants to run for reelection. If he can have a blindly loyal leadership, he will be able to run for a 3rd term. If there is a principles first, statewide candidate second team of conservatives at the helm, they won&#8217;t lay down cover fire for Pawlenty and knee cap a challenge from the right with in the party. He&#8217;ll need that again this time as the base is growing weary. (I&#8217;ve been over that before) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All in all, this leadership election is going to come down to how badly Pawlenty wants to run for reelection. If he can have a blindly loyal leadership, he will be able to run for a 3rd term. If there is a principles first, statewide candidate second team of conservatives at the helm, they won&#8217;t lay down cover fire for Pawlenty and knee cap a challenge from the right with in the party. He&#8217;ll need that again this time as the base is growing weary. (I&#8217;ve been over that before) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/11/19/a-3rd-pawlenty-administration-yeah-i-got-some-questions-alright/comment-page-1/#comment-43369</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody that thinks the GOP can actually win elections by &quot;being more conservative&quot; is smoking some very liberal renewable resources.  You win elections by winning elections.  We&#039;ve had essentially the same platform for years.  Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.  We put up strong conservative candidates year after year.  Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.  At some point, Republicans need to decide that their &quot;principles,&quot; whatever that means to each of us, are better served by finding AND ELECTING the best people we can get to take the job, and quit trying to apply some standard of ideological purity that keeps us from advancing ANY of our principles. 

Sometimes you just have to go to election with the party you&#039;ve got.  Figure out a realistic way to win, for our candidate whoever that might be, and let&#039;s do that, rather than lining up for a circular firing squad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody that thinks the GOP can actually win elections by &#8220;being more conservative&#8221; is smoking some very liberal renewable resources.  You win elections by winning elections.  We&#8217;ve had essentially the same platform for years.  Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.  We put up strong conservative candidates year after year.  Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose.  At some point, Republicans need to decide that their &#8220;principles,&#8221; whatever that means to each of us, are better served by finding AND ELECTING the best people we can get to take the job, and quit trying to apply some standard of ideological purity that keeps us from advancing ANY of our principles. </p>
<p>Sometimes you just have to go to election with the party you&#8217;ve got.  Figure out a realistic way to win, for our candidate whoever that might be, and let&#8217;s do that, rather than lining up for a circular firing squad.</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, as I&#039;ve said before, a &quot;party&quot; doesn&#039;t stand for anything.  The people who choose to get involved in the party stand for something.  If more conservatives get involved in a party, the party will be more conservative, if moderates get involved in a party and conservatives don&#039;t care, the party will naturally reflect the moderates.

Now, I know what you are trying to say.  Conservatives don&#039;t want to get involved in a party that is too moderate.  It&#039;s hard to change a party, so they whine, moan, and let Democrats win.  If the party were to &quot;become&quot; more conservative they would get involved, but to be a conservative party, conservatives actually need to get involved.  So therefore conservative politics is impasse.

Now, you might think that a few conservatives showing every other year and adding a few planks to the platform makes the party conservative.  But it doesn&#039;t.  Those planks don&#039;t keep people from getting involved and making a difference.  OTOH, you can if conservatives have control of the party make others uncomfortable or intimidated to be involved or vote for Republicans.  Then you can have the candidates you want, and the platform you want.

But in the end, what good is it if you&#039;ve restricted your voter base to a small subset of the voting population?  You want to be like the Independence party and get 10-15% of the vote?  That might make you feel good, but it&#039;s not very effective politics.  You think it is a problem having a super-minority in the legislature now, wait until you decimate the GOP caucus by only allowing perfect conservatives in.

So, my question is again, what &quot;perfect&quot; conservative candidate do you think can run for governor in 2010 and win?  Not get 10%, not 20%, not 30% but actually enough to win the election?

Because I&#039;ll tell you again, if the conservatives want the GOP to be a conservative &#039;3rd party&#039; in MN just so that they can protect their ideological purity, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, as I&#8217;ve said before, a &#8220;party&#8221; doesn&#8217;t stand for anything.  The people who choose to get involved in the party stand for something.  If more conservatives get involved in a party, the party will be more conservative, if moderates get involved in a party and conservatives don&#8217;t care, the party will naturally reflect the moderates.</p>
<p>Now, I know what you are trying to say.  Conservatives don&#8217;t want to get involved in a party that is too moderate.  It&#8217;s hard to change a party, so they whine, moan, and let Democrats win.  If the party were to &#8220;become&#8221; more conservative they would get involved, but to be a conservative party, conservatives actually need to get involved.  So therefore conservative politics is impasse.</p>
<p>Now, you might think that a few conservatives showing every other year and adding a few planks to the platform makes the party conservative.  But it doesn&#8217;t.  Those planks don&#8217;t keep people from getting involved and making a difference.  OTOH, you can if conservatives have control of the party make others uncomfortable or intimidated to be involved or vote for Republicans.  Then you can have the candidates you want, and the platform you want.</p>
<p>But in the end, what good is it if you&#8217;ve restricted your voter base to a small subset of the voting population?  You want to be like the Independence party and get 10-15% of the vote?  That might make you feel good, but it&#8217;s not very effective politics.  You think it is a problem having a super-minority in the legislature now, wait until you decimate the GOP caucus by only allowing perfect conservatives in.</p>
<p>So, my question is again, what &#8220;perfect&#8221; conservative candidate do you think can run for governor in 2010 and win?  Not get 10%, not 20%, not 30% but actually enough to win the election?</p>
<p>Because I&#8217;ll tell you again, if the conservatives want the GOP to be a conservative &#8216;3rd party&#8217; in MN just so that they can protect their ideological purity, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Metzler,

So conservatism is dead, or maybe, the era of limited government is over? 

You&#039;re entitled to your opinion, but all I ask is that you just come out and say it and then turn around to the (R)epublicans who you defend willy nilly to do the same. 

If the Republican party no longer stands for limited government fiscal conservative values, the party (and most importantly those leading it or seeking to speak for it)  owes it to those of us who believe it does stand for limited government and fiscal conservatism (and are members because it says it does) to tell us we have to stop pushing for it, stop expecting it, or find a new political home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Metzler,</p>
<p>So conservatism is dead, or maybe, the era of limited government is over? </p>
<p>You&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, but all I ask is that you just come out and say it and then turn around to the (R)epublicans who you defend willy nilly to do the same. </p>
<p>If the Republican party no longer stands for limited government fiscal conservative values, the party (and most importantly those leading it or seeking to speak for it)  owes it to those of us who believe it does stand for limited government and fiscal conservatism (and are members because it says it does) to tell us we have to stop pushing for it, stop expecting it, or find a new political home.</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/11/19/a-3rd-pawlenty-administration-yeah-i-got-some-questions-alright/comment-page-1/#comment-43362</link>
		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, considering Pawlenty barely won last time, Kennedy lost outright, and Coleman barely won against the worst candidate the DFL could put up, how would a more conservative candidate be electable?

Personally, I believe that Pawlenty is the last candidate that the GOP has that is electable state wide, but if you have any candidates that you think could win in MN, let me know.  I really am curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, considering Pawlenty barely won last time, Kennedy lost outright, and Coleman barely won against the worst candidate the DFL could put up, how would a more conservative candidate be electable?</p>
<p>Personally, I believe that Pawlenty is the last candidate that the GOP has that is electable state wide, but if you have any candidates that you think could win in MN, let me know.  I really am curious.</p>
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		<title>By: R-Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>R-Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Pawlenty may already be unelectable in 2010.  He has made just too many unforced errors, not counting his McCain adventures.

He has to pick an issue or two, like photo id voter registration, and see it through, i.e., not fold as we&#039;ve repeatedly seen of late.

And, he has to convince us that he&#039;s actually thinking about issues, getting the best advice.  That ain&#039;t Will Steger.  To quote Will Smith&#039;s character in &lt;i&gt;Independence Day&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;Oh, no. no, you are NOT shootin&#039; that green s*%# at me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think Pawlenty may already be unelectable in 2010.  He has made just too many unforced errors, not counting his McCain adventures.</p>
<p>He has to pick an issue or two, like photo id voter registration, and see it through, i.e., not fold as we&#8217;ve repeatedly seen of late.</p>
<p>And, he has to convince us that he&#8217;s actually thinking about issues, getting the best advice.  That ain&#8217;t Will Steger.  To quote Will Smith&#8217;s character in <i>Independence Day</i>, &#8220;Oh, no. no, you are NOT shootin&#8217; that green s*%# at me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawlenty doesn&#039;t owe you or conservatives a darn thing.  He&#039;s the Governor.  You&#039;ve said you may not have voted for him last time, and may not vote for him this time around.  If he can get elected without you and your unreasonable demands, why should he bother?  

  You&#039;ve already admitted that for him to declare early would be to give the DFL a license to steal, so why do you want him to do that?   

Finally, you complain that the GOP and its candidates haven&#039;t been conservative enough, or &quot;pushed&quot; the conservative message enough.  I think you are mistaking intentions for effectiveness, and good ideas for electability.  In almost every case, our candidates were selected by the delegates to the various conventions, and were the most conservative people we could find willing to make the effort.   It is TIME to quit blaming these selfless heroes, and to get on the same side with them to battle the REAL problems of the GOP:  being vastly outspent, being lied about, and being constantly shouted down by Democrat cheerleaders known as the MSM.  Solve those problems, and our ELECTED candidates will be conservative enough even for you.   

And by the way, our &quot;message&quot; could be sold better if we could quit referring to it as &quot;conservative principles.&quot;  Nobody knows what that means any more, and what they do know is that &quot;conservative&quot; is just as bad as &quot;liberal.&quot;   Notice that liberals never define their ideas as such?  Start referring to our ideas as &quot;common sense solutions.&quot;  You&#039;ll be surprised at how much easier that sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawlenty doesn&#8217;t owe you or conservatives a darn thing.  He&#8217;s the Governor.  You&#8217;ve said you may not have voted for him last time, and may not vote for him this time around.  If he can get elected without you and your unreasonable demands, why should he bother?  </p>
<p>  You&#8217;ve already admitted that for him to declare early would be to give the DFL a license to steal, so why do you want him to do that?   </p>
<p>Finally, you complain that the GOP and its candidates haven&#8217;t been conservative enough, or &#8220;pushed&#8221; the conservative message enough.  I think you are mistaking intentions for effectiveness, and good ideas for electability.  In almost every case, our candidates were selected by the delegates to the various conventions, and were the most conservative people we could find willing to make the effort.   It is TIME to quit blaming these selfless heroes, and to get on the same side with them to battle the REAL problems of the GOP:  being vastly outspent, being lied about, and being constantly shouted down by Democrat cheerleaders known as the MSM.  Solve those problems, and our ELECTED candidates will be conservative enough even for you.   </p>
<p>And by the way, our &#8220;message&#8221; could be sold better if we could quit referring to it as &#8220;conservative principles.&#8221;  Nobody knows what that means any more, and what they do know is that &#8220;conservative&#8221; is just as bad as &#8220;liberal.&#8221;   Notice that liberals never define their ideas as such?  Start referring to our ideas as &#8220;common sense solutions.&#8221;  You&#8217;ll be surprised at how much easier that sells.</p>
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