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		<title>By: Work At Home Online</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The housing bubble is the symptom, not the root problem. The root problem is massive global debt imbalance, a global structure built like a Dr. Suess village with fantastic imbalanced new wings thrust out in haphazard directions, well off-kilter with the foundational centers of gravity, all supported by various crooked stiltworks of questionable strength.

So one night (daytime there) China&#039;s gov&#039;t puts its banks on notice to immediately suspend any further loans to American institutions. The next morning Paulson &amp; Bernanke are in Washington begging for handouts from a destitute US gov&#039;t for the purpose of buying off toxic financial assets from the banks. Later still no banks are stepping forward to get rid of any such assets, Paulson lines up the top players and forces gov&#039;t money and partial ownership upon them- and now no such toxic assets will be purchased and the money will presumably go to other purposes. So other industries and even municipalities begin to line up at the door with the hand outstretched.

How completely bizarre. And in the midst of it all, though most of the bailout amount is still unused, close to two trillion or something has been monetized, printed from thin air so to speak, by the Fed and distributed. But they adamantly refuse to disclose where its gone- prompting a Bloomberg lawsuit.

What&#039;s even more bizarre is that any American elected official would allow the sun to rise on even one more day of this insanity- except for one thing- that&#039;s how they get their money to fund their schemes as well, the Fed is the goose that keeps plopping golden turds of untaxed revenue (debt) into their laps to fund their ongoing credit card spree.

Early in his tenure as Fed Chair, Alan Greenspan warned the Senate that the charter of the Fed itself should come up for regular reconsideration, that such economic institutions should be examined regularly for a determination as to whether its wise to renew that charter. That has never happened in the nearly hundred-year existence of the Federal Reserve. The doctor warned the patient that they might be suffering from an excess of doctoring, and the patient only bristled at the suggestion of hypochondria. Well, the patient is putting the doctor in that new Mercedes every couple years, so the doctor got busy injecting ever more jazz into the patients bloodstream, at the patients request, and what we have today is a debt addicted society in a world that has reached the limits of its ability and willingness to further extend that credit.

The spree is over, and the housing bubble collapse didn&#039;t cause that, it is rather because of that. Time to set a budget that we can actually more than cover and begin to chip away at that debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The housing bubble is the symptom, not the root problem. The root problem is massive global debt imbalance, a global structure built like a Dr. Suess village with fantastic imbalanced new wings thrust out in haphazard directions, well off-kilter with the foundational centers of gravity, all supported by various crooked stiltworks of questionable strength.</p>
<p>So one night (daytime there) China&#8217;s gov&#8217;t puts its banks on notice to immediately suspend any further loans to American institutions. The next morning Paulson &amp; Bernanke are in Washington begging for handouts from a destitute US gov&#8217;t for the purpose of buying off toxic financial assets from the banks. Later still no banks are stepping forward to get rid of any such assets, Paulson lines up the top players and forces gov&#8217;t money and partial ownership upon them- and now no such toxic assets will be purchased and the money will presumably go to other purposes. So other industries and even municipalities begin to line up at the door with the hand outstretched.</p>
<p>How completely bizarre. And in the midst of it all, though most of the bailout amount is still unused, close to two trillion or something has been monetized, printed from thin air so to speak, by the Fed and distributed. But they adamantly refuse to disclose where its gone- prompting a Bloomberg lawsuit.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more bizarre is that any American elected official would allow the sun to rise on even one more day of this insanity- except for one thing- that&#8217;s how they get their money to fund their schemes as well, the Fed is the goose that keeps plopping golden turds of untaxed revenue (debt) into their laps to fund their ongoing credit card spree.</p>
<p>Early in his tenure as Fed Chair, Alan Greenspan warned the Senate that the charter of the Fed itself should come up for regular reconsideration, that such economic institutions should be examined regularly for a determination as to whether its wise to renew that charter. That has never happened in the nearly hundred-year existence of the Federal Reserve. The doctor warned the patient that they might be suffering from an excess of doctoring, and the patient only bristled at the suggestion of hypochondria. Well, the patient is putting the doctor in that new Mercedes every couple years, so the doctor got busy injecting ever more jazz into the patients bloodstream, at the patients request, and what we have today is a debt addicted society in a world that has reached the limits of its ability and willingness to further extend that credit.</p>
<p>The spree is over, and the housing bubble collapse didn&#8217;t cause that, it is rather because of that. Time to set a budget that we can actually more than cover and begin to chip away at that debt.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know that streets, even such a famous one as Wall Street, HAD a vote in Congress, or, for that matter, was capable of creating a national crisis.  If you want to ascribe human failings to an entire and irreplaceable industry, you can, but I think then you have to see them as more victims than perpetrators.  First, the government creates demands on them to do unwise things, then permits the house of cards to build up, while benefiting the regulators through kickbacks and graft, and finally, when the house of cards comes down, the Congress swoops in and buys up the damaged free enterprises, claiming credit for &quot;saving us&quot; from the damage THEY caused!  

I&#039;m tired of this game of &quot;blame all around&quot; when we KNOW three things for certain:  1) Certain key Democrats created this problem, 2) Republicans tried to fix it early but Democrats refused, and 3) when it came time to deal with the crisis Democrats created (and some would say the timing was for political purposes), some Republicans made the best of a bad situation and supported what turned out to be a poor alternative, both in principle and practice.  

I&#039;m also tired of the magical thinking that says when a Democrat majority does something conservatives don&#039;t like (which is pretty frequent) that we punish the Republican /minority/ for not being conservative enough.  It&#039;s like kicking the papaplegic for not winning the jitterbug competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know that streets, even such a famous one as Wall Street, HAD a vote in Congress, or, for that matter, was capable of creating a national crisis.  If you want to ascribe human failings to an entire and irreplaceable industry, you can, but I think then you have to see them as more victims than perpetrators.  First, the government creates demands on them to do unwise things, then permits the house of cards to build up, while benefiting the regulators through kickbacks and graft, and finally, when the house of cards comes down, the Congress swoops in and buys up the damaged free enterprises, claiming credit for &#8220;saving us&#8221; from the damage THEY caused!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of this game of &#8220;blame all around&#8221; when we KNOW three things for certain:  1) Certain key Democrats created this problem, 2) Republicans tried to fix it early but Democrats refused, and 3) when it came time to deal with the crisis Democrats created (and some would say the timing was for political purposes), some Republicans made the best of a bad situation and supported what turned out to be a poor alternative, both in principle and practice.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also tired of the magical thinking that says when a Democrat majority does something conservatives don&#8217;t like (which is pretty frequent) that we punish the Republican /minority/ for not being conservative enough.  It&#8217;s like kicking the papaplegic for not winning the jitterbug competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hell with what we as a party should be doing, in a time of self-induced national crisis keep the focus on what we as Americans should be doing- and that means we rally around leaders and elected reps in favor of a solvent future for a fiscally responsible USA, and marginalize to whatever extent we can those in favor of keeping wall street hands at the control of our directions and destiny. There never was a better and more clear litmus test for that than what occurred last month in the halls of Congress. Right now Minnesota&#039;s delegation in Washington is looking pretty sickly in that regard:

In favor of US sovereignty, solvency, and self-determination-
Bachmann
Peterson
Walz

Opposed to the same-
Coleman
Ellison
Kline
Klobuchar
McCollum
Oberstar
Ramstad

Paulson? we&#039;ll see soon enough I suppose.
Pawlenty? No doubt which list he hangs his hat within. He&#039;s come to stink of wall street every bit as much as Coleman.

The future of the party lies in taking care of America&#039;s problems first and foremost, and that means a return to very limited Federal gov&#039;t and fiscal sanity. It means settling up most of the debt over time whether its painful or not. We need to be the party about paying the bills and restoring sound currency. Take care of that and the votes will take care of themselves. Stay lost in virtually meaningless party label loyalties and the GOP on the national level will remain a co-conspirator in the destruction of the USA. Is the present leadership prepared to adopt that course, and do so aggressively and immediately???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hell with what we as a party should be doing, in a time of self-induced national crisis keep the focus on what we as Americans should be doing- and that means we rally around leaders and elected reps in favor of a solvent future for a fiscally responsible USA, and marginalize to whatever extent we can those in favor of keeping wall street hands at the control of our directions and destiny. There never was a better and more clear litmus test for that than what occurred last month in the halls of Congress. Right now Minnesota&#8217;s delegation in Washington is looking pretty sickly in that regard:</p>
<p>In favor of US sovereignty, solvency, and self-determination-<br />
Bachmann<br />
Peterson<br />
Walz</p>
<p>Opposed to the same-<br />
Coleman<br />
Ellison<br />
Kline<br />
Klobuchar<br />
McCollum<br />
Oberstar<br />
Ramstad</p>
<p>Paulson? we&#8217;ll see soon enough I suppose.<br />
Pawlenty? No doubt which list he hangs his hat within. He&#8217;s come to stink of wall street every bit as much as Coleman.</p>
<p>The future of the party lies in taking care of America&#8217;s problems first and foremost, and that means a return to very limited Federal gov&#8217;t and fiscal sanity. It means settling up most of the debt over time whether its painful or not. We need to be the party about paying the bills and restoring sound currency. Take care of that and the votes will take care of themselves. Stay lost in virtually meaningless party label loyalties and the GOP on the national level will remain a co-conspirator in the destruction of the USA. Is the present leadership prepared to adopt that course, and do so aggressively and immediately???</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/11/13/mngop-leadership-change-ahead-draft-grams/comment-page-1/#comment-43338</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, were you and Andy classmates at precognition school?  I like Rod Grams, and Ron Carey, and Tim Pawlenty.   These folks have all stepped up to serve the GOP and the conservative cause.  They serve as best they are able, but cannot possibly do all as each of us might wish.  Expecting that anyone of them, or someone else, will discharge their duties better, or provide us with some miraculous new ability to win votes, is pure speculation at this point.  

No, let any who believe they know better how to accomplish our mutually agreed ends speak up and convince of such, with details.  Then, and not before, we can select the best of those willing to serve.  In the meantime, the rest of us should do no less.  We need all the good ideas we can get, and then a grassroots commitment to those that make the most sense.  In other words, we can have a change of direction with or without a change in leadership, and changing leadership might be only a distraction from what WE, as a party, should be doing.  Figure that out first, and we&#039;ll go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, were you and Andy classmates at precognition school?  I like Rod Grams, and Ron Carey, and Tim Pawlenty.   These folks have all stepped up to serve the GOP and the conservative cause.  They serve as best they are able, but cannot possibly do all as each of us might wish.  Expecting that anyone of them, or someone else, will discharge their duties better, or provide us with some miraculous new ability to win votes, is pure speculation at this point.  </p>
<p>No, let any who believe they know better how to accomplish our mutually agreed ends speak up and convince of such, with details.  Then, and not before, we can select the best of those willing to serve.  In the meantime, the rest of us should do no less.  We need all the good ideas we can get, and then a grassroots commitment to those that make the most sense.  In other words, we can have a change of direction with or without a change in leadership, and changing leadership might be only a distraction from what WE, as a party, should be doing.  Figure that out first, and we&#8217;ll go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod will not support spending GOP resources to trample on the choice of local GOP delegates. Nor will he put forward requests to conventions for the constitutional power to replace BPOU officers at will. Nor will you see him bend and twist with every political wind that blows as our Governor and Senator do all too often, Rod rather would ask them to stand rather than bend right along with those tides.

Andy&#039;s right on this one- it would be an extremely refreshing change from the present direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod will not support spending GOP resources to trample on the choice of local GOP delegates. Nor will he put forward requests to conventions for the constitutional power to replace BPOU officers at will. Nor will you see him bend and twist with every political wind that blows as our Governor and Senator do all too often, Rod rather would ask them to stand rather than bend right along with those tides.</p>
<p>Andy&#8217;s right on this one- it would be an extremely refreshing change from the present direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod Grams is a HUGE Mark Olson supporter. He was an honored guest at the Olson family
picnic last summer.  You need to dig deeper on Grams.  He has baggage.  He will drag Olson back into the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod Grams is a HUGE Mark Olson supporter. He was an honored guest at the Olson family<br />
picnic last summer.  You need to dig deeper on Grams.  He has baggage.  He will drag Olson back into the party.</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good gosh people.  Andy IS the base.  Everyone else should be just in awe of his amazing GOP grassroots baseness.  

If he says the current leadership is the problem, then the current leadership is the problem.  Please don&#039;t question The Andy, it&#039;s just not healthy for the party.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good gosh people.  Andy IS the base.  Everyone else should be just in awe of his amazing GOP grassroots baseness.  </p>
<p>If he says the current leadership is the problem, then the current leadership is the problem.  Please don&#8217;t question The Andy, it&#8217;s just not healthy for the party.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: swiftee</title>
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		<dc:creator>swiftee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m dissapointed to hear the Grams supported Olson, and shocked to learn that you would extoll the virtues of someone who did, Andy.

We&#039;re at a turning point here, my friend. It&#039;s time to toss out the deadwood and polish the brass. People like Mark Olson are the antithesis of what I hope to see the GOP become in the future.

I&#039;m sick and tired of having to listen to some stinking Democrat point their fingers at some elected GOP politician and find myself unable to respond. 

And I know I&#039;m not alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m dissapointed to hear the Grams supported Olson, and shocked to learn that you would extoll the virtues of someone who did, Andy.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re at a turning point here, my friend. It&#8217;s time to toss out the deadwood and polish the brass. People like Mark Olson are the antithesis of what I hope to see the GOP become in the future.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of having to listen to some stinking Democrat point their fingers at some elected GOP politician and find myself unable to respond. </p>
<p>And I know I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Ken, Rod&#039;s inability to overcome the influence of said RINOs makes him a good candidate for party chair?  Yeah, that&#039;s exactly what we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Ken, Rod&#8217;s inability to overcome the influence of said RINOs makes him a good candidate for party chair?  Yeah, that&#8217;s exactly what we need.</p>
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