Am I Really Running For Party Chair?
Posted by Andy on November 6th, 2008
Only if Ron Carey refuses to do the right thing after the recount is done or someone who has helped divide this party and put it in the ash heap comes forward.
A lot of people are ready for change. A lot of different groups are trying to organize and get their own ball rolling.
What I want to see done is for those of us who know the party is better than the results of the last 3 elections. We need to have a get together of those groups. If we all sit back and try to sneak around, the establishment will win again.
Trust me folks. We need to have an open and public debate about what this party needs while it is still fresh in the voters minds. If we wait for another meeting of 2-300 of us to decide the fate of the entire party in a prescribed outcome, we’ll be hosed in 2010 as well.
We need drastic change and we need it NOW!
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November 7th, 2008 at 7:40 am
If not you, then someone else. The purging has to start at the top to have any chance of success. I have some ideas if necessary. I for one think the State party needs purging before we deal with the other side of the aisle.
First we start at local level (SD16 comes to mind) then go from there. Count me in.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Great idea. Let’s start our comeback to a majority party by making the party SMALLER! :-/
If you want to get some people working towards making the Party more /effective/, count me in. Where’s the first meeting, your house? But I’ll say it again, that if your idea of making the Party win more “games” starts and ends with firing the head coach, you’ve got a lot to learn about football.
November 7th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
This election was a repudiation of the recent policies implemented by the Republicans. We can change state leadership, which would be a good thing. If we fail to move away from runaway spending, continue assaulting civil liberties while trying to rule the world, we will continue to lose. The average person doesn’t see the Republicans limiting government and protecting their liberties in any way. So why should they vote for us.
GW grew government at a rate only rivaled by the likes of LBJ. We need to offer the people something different. If not, why would there be a Republican Party?
November 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I’ll say it again: if your idea of “saving” the Republican Party is just a change in the top spot, you can save your breath. The chairman can’t force legislative or Congressional Republicans to do ANYTHING, including being properly conservative. In fact, the reason Republicans have so much trouble winning is because every conservative– you and me– want their candidate to be 100% in agreement with them, and won’t lift a finger to help anybody less than perfect.
November 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
The top spot (Ron Carey) has to go because he refuses to think out side the box. We need drastic overhauling of this party from top to bottom. We’ve already begun to work on our own BPOU. Yes, while the iron is still hot, we’re talking about what we can do to win the other House seat and build up our grassroots base4 and volunteers to keep them engaged.
If we can’t get the deadweight, status quo, just listen to Fabrizio and the advisers, don’t rock the boat and upset the Governor/Senator/ etc people out of the MNGOP HQ, and all their lackey brown nosers too, there will be absolutely nothing changed.
Who will be the new chair?
Well, Fleming and Sutton are who I am hearing are preparing for it. Logical jumps for them as they are the two closest to the spot and have already been elected by State Central. But who else? I don’t know. There’s a lot of ripples in the water, but I am not hearing specifics, just a whole ton of anger and people ready to get someone in there who will listen to the grassroots not the DC bureaucrats.
Liberty, I sure hope that you will continue to bitch and moan/ make up this liberty thing when Democrats steal your rights then ban the ability for you to complain. What liberties did you have taken away. What, you ability to have terrorists kill you with out you knowing.
Christ, give me a break.
As for the growing Government, yeah, Bush was terrible and we will never out bid the Dems, so we shouldn’t even try. In case you didn’t know, I was supporting a Presidential candidate who believed in that sort of thing. Of course the establishment blue bloods of this party poo pooed that guy.
New blood. New ideas. I’m not saying that I have the answers or the solutions, but I can damn straight tell ya, that we can’t repeat the mistakes a 3rd time in the hopes that things go right.
Oh and this ain’t just an election thing, the party needs to be reformed and engage on the issues. The party must fight during the session and educate Minnesotans on the alternatives, and if the Governor disapproves, then too bad for him.
“assaulting civil liberties”. What are you the anatard who kicked in the window of the squad car in St. Paul?
Don’t worry Liberty First, Mr. Obama is going to create a civilian defense force that will be able to quell any little insurrections of Americans who get uppity and think that they shouldn’t have to turn in their earnings for redistribution. You may not want to spout off in a public forum like this again.
November 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
“This election was a repudiation of the recent policies implemented by the Republicans”
Did I see the same election?
We elected Three Republican Congressman (including holding an empty seat) - Something other states did not do.
We defeated one of the override six, but lost one seat by removing one.
The only house seat that we should not have lost was one where there was a fight between the local BPOU selection and what others (including Andy) thought should be the candidate. In the end, both sides lost.
So where is the great repudiation of Republican this election in MN?
The only candidate who seems to have suffered this cycle is Norm.
So Andy are you saying the chair should be replaced because the party didn’t do enough to support Norm?
November 7th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
“Did I see the same election?
We elected Three Republican Congressman (including holding an empty seat) - Something other states did not do.”
Yeah and we lost even MORE seats in the state house and state senate AND we are about to lose a good US Senator….yeah that was a REAL successful election…..
LL
November 8th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Andy,
I am glad to see you are now concerned that the Democrats might infringe on civil liberties. I wish you felt the same way when Republicans took away Americans right to financial and personal privacy.
The level of freedom you desire is much lower than mine. I do not believe in giving away my liberties for some form of safety. Patriot/FISA acts.
Sam,
The Democrats have what kinds of majority in the house and senate? Do you remember that we once controlled the house? You call winning in three Republican districts a success?
What about district 1, was that not a republican seat 2 years ago?
We got trounced. It was because of policy. Believe it or not people view Republicans as hypocrites. We say we are for reigning in the growth of government and do just the opposite.
November 8th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Andy,
You make fun of us who believe in individual liberty. You believe in continual war on terrror and think we can keep our freedom.
James Madison author of the constitution said:
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. . . . [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and . . . degeneracy of manners and of morals. . . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. . . .
November 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I remember when we controlled house in both MN and US, but those days went away when Republicans lost their way.
The point is, that things are bad for the GOP brand nationwide and compared to other, things didn’t go as bad as others states in their loses.
Pointing out is that when we lost CD1, we were supposed to be happy we got rid of a moderate Republican.
In this election we lost seats of the override 6 (including getting rid of some of those) So again we are supposed to be happy.
Now Andy and Rosie O’logic are upset that the party didn’t do enough to get Norm elected???
I am confused, Is the party supposed to purge all the Moderate Republicans or get them elected.
I for one don’t mind if you pick one or the other, but the humor is seeing those complain about moderate republicans and the need to get rid of them, complain that Norm might not win and that somehow the party should have done more.
That’s funny.
We had a big trade up in CD3 in a tough campaign and for that I am happy.
We got rid of moderate DFL members who had an R next to them and I happy about that too.
And I don’t think people view Republican as hypocrites, they view some of the candidates for what they are, “DFL Lite”, and don’t support them.
Norm’s problem is not that he didn’t have enough party support, Norm’s problem was he did not support his party.
Please don’t misunderstand my passion here. I think the Republican party need to run more candidates with a pure Republican message, but in this election given the candidates we had - I think things went better then should have been expected.
What I don’t like is the Monday morning, hypocritical criticism.
Complain about State party telling BPOU’s what to do, then mounting a campaign to overturn a local BPOUs endorsement (of a conservative, a conservative with nasty baggage but a conservative none the less). The outcome, we lose a seat.
Or complaining about the party supporting Moderates and then complaining that Norm is in a tough fight. As I said Norm made his own bed and I glad the party did what it did. Enough support to help but not enough to drag down the rest of the candidate.