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	<title>Comments on: Bachmann &#8211; &#8216;Cap and trade&#8217;? More like &#8216;tax and spend&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/06/10/bachmann-cap-and-trade-more-like-tax-and-spend/comment-page-1/#comment-42556</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is BS!!! I&#039;m sick of hearing that crappy is the best we can hope for! That&#039;s the line coming from leadership in the RNC and state party, and is the philospohy that has led to years of back-to-back crushing GOP defeats. I&#039;m losing my mind every time I read or hear some smarmy statement like that! Enough! It&#039;s time for a serious conservative revolution in the party. All these RINO hacks have to go. I&#039;m not going along with &quot;at least I&#039;m not as bad as the other guy&quot; any more. If you aspire to mediocrity, that&#039;s what you&#039;ll get, or worse. We HAVE TO aim higher.

Shoot for the stars and drag your feet in the treetops. That&#039;s better than shooting for the dirt and hitting it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is BS!!! I&#8217;m sick of hearing that crappy is the best we can hope for! That&#8217;s the line coming from leadership in the RNC and state party, and is the philospohy that has led to years of back-to-back crushing GOP defeats. I&#8217;m losing my mind every time I read or hear some smarmy statement like that! Enough! It&#8217;s time for a serious conservative revolution in the party. All these RINO hacks have to go. I&#8217;m not going along with &#8220;at least I&#8217;m not as bad as the other guy&#8221; any more. If you aspire to mediocrity, that&#8217;s what you&#8217;ll get, or worse. We HAVE TO aim higher.</p>
<p>Shoot for the stars and drag your feet in the treetops. That&#8217;s better than shooting for the dirt and hitting it!</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/06/10/bachmann-cap-and-trade-more-like-tax-and-spend/comment-page-1/#comment-42529</link>
		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can you say?  MN loved ethanol.  I&#039;d rather have a GOP senator that represented Minnesota by supporting ethanol, than being represented by a DFL senator who supported ethanol.  Maybe the ethanol bubble is bursting.  We can hope, but until then we&#039;ve got to accept the best MN will vote for, and that mean Senator Coleman and Governor Pawlenty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you say?  MN loved ethanol.  I&#8217;d rather have a GOP senator that represented Minnesota by supporting ethanol, than being represented by a DFL senator who supported ethanol.  Maybe the ethanol bubble is bursting.  We can hope, but until then we&#8217;ve got to accept the best MN will vote for, and that mean Senator Coleman and Governor Pawlenty</p>
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		<title>By: the Lady Logician</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/06/10/bachmann-cap-and-trade-more-like-tax-and-spend/comment-page-1/#comment-42527</link>
		<dc:creator>the Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry - Norm was indeed a co-sponsor of this pig of a bill!  

LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry &#8211; Norm was indeed a co-sponsor of this pig of a bill!  </p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/06/10/bachmann-cap-and-trade-more-like-tax-and-spend/comment-page-1/#comment-42514</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry you are full of BS. 

Here&#039;s the Senator in his own words in a letter about this exact bill. 

http://wrightrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/06/norms-response-on-cap-trade.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;I support efforts to address climate change, but not at the expense of American jobs. That is why before joining as a cosponsor to the America&#039;s Climate Security Act (S. 2191), I made clear in a colloquy on the Senate Floor with Senator Lieberman that the final bill produced by the Senate must protect America&#039;s workers and ensure China and India are taking comparable efforts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can read the whole thing. Al Gore would be proud. I&#039;m really disappointed that a Republican sounds just like liberal Democrats. 

Utter BS spin. Go try that crap somewhere where people don&#039;t use their own brainstems. 

Cullen Sheehan refused to answer my question if the Senator was going to vote for this bill 6 times at the State Convention on Thursday evening. I asked it, he changed the subject. He and I have gotten in to it numerous times before over Cap and Trade, and he has never rebutted it when I have said he opposes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry you are full of BS. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Senator in his own words in a letter about this exact bill. </p>
<p><a href="http://wrightrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/06/norms-response-on-cap-trade.html" rel="nofollow">http://wrightrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/06/norms-response-on-cap-trade.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I support efforts to address climate change, but not at the expense of American jobs. That is why before joining as a cosponsor to the America&#8217;s Climate Security Act (S. 2191), I made clear in a colloquy on the Senate Floor with Senator Lieberman that the final bill produced by the Senate must protect America&#8217;s workers and ensure China and India are taking comparable efforts. </p></blockquote>
<p>You can read the whole thing. Al Gore would be proud. I&#8217;m really disappointed that a Republican sounds just like liberal Democrats. </p>
<p>Utter BS spin. Go try that crap somewhere where people don&#8217;t use their own brainstems. </p>
<p>Cullen Sheehan refused to answer my question if the Senator was going to vote for this bill 6 times at the State Convention on Thursday evening. I asked it, he changed the subject. He and I have gotten in to it numerous times before over Cap and Trade, and he has never rebutted it when I have said he opposes it.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot say Coleman supported this bill, since all he did was vote to debate it, as far as I know.  That is his usual approach, and in this case a good choice, since we get to paint Democrats into a corner on this stupid, stupid bill.   

The problem is worse than Rep. Bachmann even states.  The trouble with the &quot;trade&quot; portion of the bill is that it creates a &quot;market&quot; for a commodity with no intrinsic value-- a permit to release CO2-- and forces people to buy it.  But both the seller and the buyer are going to continue to output the same exact amount of CO2 as they did before the &quot;trade&quot;!  There is absolutely nothing done for the environment except to increase the cost of our most plentiful sources of energy, like coal and oil!  

And that&#039;s where the &quot;Cap&quot; part comes in.  In order to reduce CO2, the government must simply mandate that we all use less energy.  After all, if you tell a coal-fired power producer to cut CO2 60%, they will produce 60% less electricity, because it is the only way to cut CO2.  That means 60% less energy for running your fridge, air conditioner, and electric space heater (since you won&#039;t be allowed to burn natural gas to heat your home-- too much CO2, you know).  Naturally, these severe restrictions are going to have a highly negative effect on the economy and your way of life, and all to stave off global temperature increases by SIX DAYS!  Yep, that&#039;s it.  Whoopee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot say Coleman supported this bill, since all he did was vote to debate it, as far as I know.  That is his usual approach, and in this case a good choice, since we get to paint Democrats into a corner on this stupid, stupid bill.   </p>
<p>The problem is worse than Rep. Bachmann even states.  The trouble with the &#8220;trade&#8221; portion of the bill is that it creates a &#8220;market&#8221; for a commodity with no intrinsic value&#8211; a permit to release CO2&#8211; and forces people to buy it.  But both the seller and the buyer are going to continue to output the same exact amount of CO2 as they did before the &#8220;trade&#8221;!  There is absolutely nothing done for the environment except to increase the cost of our most plentiful sources of energy, like coal and oil!  </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s where the &#8220;Cap&#8221; part comes in.  In order to reduce CO2, the government must simply mandate that we all use less energy.  After all, if you tell a coal-fired power producer to cut CO2 60%, they will produce 60% less electricity, because it is the only way to cut CO2.  That means 60% less energy for running your fridge, air conditioner, and electric space heater (since you won&#8217;t be allowed to burn natural gas to heat your home&#8211; too much CO2, you know).  Naturally, these severe restrictions are going to have a highly negative effect on the economy and your way of life, and all to stave off global temperature increases by SIX DAYS!  Yep, that&#8217;s it.  Whoopee.</p>
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