So as a conservative I should be for sending our military abroad to prop up foreign economies? Is that a wise use of our nations wealth? By the way Germany is united, there is no Berlin wall, can we bring those troops home?

LL said
Saddam WAS training anti-American terrorists. They did not have any operational part of the 9-11 attacks…NO ONE EVER CLAIMED THAT. What President Bush did claim was (and this can not be denied) that Iraq was a state sponsor of international terrorism (ask the Kurds about that) and that he was in violation of SEVENTEEN UN resolutions and that we needed to hold him accountable (a core CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE is taking responsibility for your actions).

So as a conservative I am to accept that it is our nations responsibility to enforce UN resolutions? Is that worth American blood and riches? By the way it is widely known that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the invasion. They are there now, what was our goal?

LL said
If you were Iranian and you were AGAIN in violation of numerous UN resolutions to disarm your nuclear program then yes you should feel mighty threatened. AGAIN….IT’S CALLED BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS!

Refer to Bastiat’s comments in blog 21

LL said
One other thing for you “constitutionalists”. What is the number ONE reason for federal government???????? National Security! It does not keep our nation secure when we retreat behind our shores and wait for the attackers to come to us. It is a rough world out there. Just because we don’t “interfere” won’t keep us safe! You have to understand your enemy.

Read the Declaration of Independence, governments only role is to secure liberty. How are they doing that? Patriot Act, loss of Habeas Corpus, policing the world and nation building doesn’t sound like it is in their job description.

LL said
The Islamists don’t hate us because of our “interference”. They hate us because WE ARE NOT UNDER THEIR CONTROL!

I am sure that must be why they hate us. There is no way that it could be that we overthrow their elected leaders, have military bases on their soil, prop up local dictators. Yep your right it must be as you say. I thought us Ron Paulers were the kooks.

As a Christian I can not disregard the lives of my fellow human beings(our soldiers and foreigners) as easily as you. I pray that you will have a change of heart.

Andy said
Ahhhhhh, so we’re back to the real ROn paul campaign…. that is the one that is more anti-war than the Democrats.

What an insult to call Paul people anti-war, much prefer to be pro-war? You should ask yourself if it is possible through government eductation to be indoctrinated. (refer to Orwell’s 1984 for your condition)

I think that pretty much sums up my apprehension to the Ron Paul bowl movement.

LL Said,

“If you were Iranian and you were AGAIN in violation of numerous UN resolutions to disarm your nuclear program then yes you should feel mighty threatened. AGAIN….IT’S CALLED BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS!”

This is just not the case, no more than it is the case that the average American is responsible for the preemptive war in Iraq. The average Iranian is no different than you or I, they want to be left alone to raise their families in peace.

As far as conservatives taking responsibility for their actions, this is a good thing. There are plenty of consequences for you to consider.

1. 4000 American deaths
2. Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis
3. 3 trillion in war debt for our children and grandchildren
As you said, AGAIN….IT’S CALLED BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS!”

“If you were Iranian and you were AGAIN in violation of numerous UN resolutions to disarm your nuclear program then yes you should feel mighty threatened. AGAIN….IT’S CALLED BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS!”

This is just not the case, no more than it is the case that the average American is responsible for the premtive war in Iraq. The average Iranian is no different than you or I, they want to be left alone to raise their families in peace.

As far as conservatives taking responsiblity for their actions, this is a good thing. There are plenty for you to consider.

LL

My husband was STATIONED at one of those overseas posts. We were there at the PLEASURE of our host country (Germany). As a matter of fact, when that base closed, they “county” we were in took a serious economic hit because of us leaving.

Saddam WAS training anti-American terrorists. They did not have any operational part of the 9-11 attacks…NO ONE EVER CLAIMED THAT. What President Bush did claim was (and this can not be denied) that Iraq was a state sponsor of international terrorism (ask the Kurds about that) and that he was in violation of SEVENTEEN UN resolutions and that we needed to hold him accountable (a core CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE is taking responsibility for your actions).

If you were Iranian and you were AGAIN in violation of numerous UN resolutions to disarm your nuclear program then yes you should feel mighty threatened. AGAIN….IT’S CALLED BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS!

LL

Iraq had nothing to do with 911(link below of GW saying so), it is a sovereign nation we invaded. Now we are talking about war with Iran, are you for that as well?

History proves that empires fall when they extend themselves to far. If you haven’t noticed, we are broke. We were paying $.80 for the Euro, now it is approaching $1.60. Gas was around $1.30 when we invaded, now it approaches $3.50. This is a war tax, if people realized this, the approval of this war would probably drop to single digits. They fund it by the printing of the dollar. Do you think this is sustainable?
I would suggest you do some reading, such as Rose Wilder Lane”s book “The Discovery of Freedom”. She explains how wars suck the energy out of a nation. What you see today is that loss of energy(resoursce) in our economy. Your war policy is making us poorer and less safe.

Do you think it makes us safer and is moral to bomb Arab cities full of women and children (shock and awe, remember Iraq had nothing to do with 911)?

Do you believe that all nations have the right to preemptive war? Does Iran have that right?

If I was an Iranian I would feel mighty threatened with our governments threats toward them, wouldn’t you?

Do we as Americans have the ability to look through the eyes of others?
Hillary said the other day that she would level Iran if they attacked Israel. Would she level Israel if they attack Iran? Do you see the problem with picking sides, alliances ect. George Washington warned of such alliances, maybe he was smarter than us.

As far as Ron Paul being a big spender, I assume you are talking about earmarks. His voting record is stellar on limiting government and taxation. Do you want to compare his record to any of your favorite main line Repubs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM Bush video “Iraq had nothing to do with 911″

I understand how they could beat other unknown candidates.
My questions was, how were they able to beat known candidates.
Andy and others on CD6 leadership are not unknown, how were they not able to gain a minority (or even a plurality) of votes.
Andy was talking about running at state and my question was why wasn’t he able to win in his own district? What happened to other known people in the district?
If you look at the other CDs, it is usual party officers and regulars that got elected.
A minority block can’t over come a majority voting for known people they respect, so what happened?

LibertyFirst - where I depart from the Paul supporters is on principle as well. As the wife of a former soldier and the member of a family FULL of military members, I am dead set against Congressman Paul’s call for withdrawing from Iraq. I have friends and family who served there, who have a much better sense of what is going on there than you or I do, who say that ANY kind of an early pull out will be a DISASTER. When I try to explain that to your fellow Paul supporters, I am called all kinds of nasty things….things that you expect to hear at a Code Pink rally at the Berkley Marine recruiting station - NOT a GOP convention. When I try to remind Paul supporters that in spite of his comments to the contrary, Congressman Paul is as big a Porker as any other legislator…..you don’t want to know what I get called.

As I said before, the insults etc COME FROM BOTH SIDES! Don’t play victim here - your side is just as guilty.

LL