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	<title>Comments on: Let Me Get This Right, I&#8217;m Supposed To Be A Democrat According To Ron Paul?</title>
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	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MarianneS</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/04/24/let-me-get-this-right-im-supposed-to-be-a-democrat-according-to-ron-paul/#comment-41735</link>
		<dc:creator>MarianneS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Andy, read my post.  We did bring some CP people BACK to the party, but my main point was about having a healthy debate.  I seem to have to retype things a lot in these blog comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Andy, read my post.  We did bring some CP people BACK to the party, but my main point was about having a healthy debate.  I seem to have to retype things a lot in these blog comments.</p>
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		<title>By: MarianneS</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/04/24/let-me-get-this-right-im-supposed-to-be-a-democrat-according-to-ron-paul/#comment-41734</link>
		<dc:creator>MarianneS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Right now the platform denounces McCain-Feingold.  I don't recall if we denounced amnesty lat time around, but we should.  If we held our candidates and elected officials to our current party platform, we'd be in excellent shape.  I dare say, we'd be winning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Right now the platform denounces McCain-Feingold.  I don&#8217;t recall if we denounced amnesty lat time around, but we should.  If we held our candidates and elected officials to our current party platform, we&#8217;d be in excellent shape.  I dare say, we&#8217;d be winning!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/04/24/let-me-get-this-right-im-supposed-to-be-a-democrat-according-to-ron-paul/#comment-41731</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is about other parties coming in to the GOP. Like parties that just haven't been able to break into having an elected official.... I don't know.... maybe because they are too rigid to a very narrow set of policies and are unwilling to agree on core principles, but be flexible enough to win elections and build majorities. 

It will be VERY interesting to see exactly what the Minnesota GOP Platform looks like after the state convention. Will it be recognizable anymore? Will it look more like the LP or CP ones? Now sure, I think it has become watered down over the years, and also WAY too specific. It is largely useless as it is way to broad and frankly no one can possibly meet every aspect of it. But some of the resolutions are just plain silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is about other parties coming in to the GOP. Like parties that just haven&#8217;t been able to break into having an elected official&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know&#8230;. maybe because they are too rigid to a very narrow set of policies and are unwilling to agree on core principles, but be flexible enough to win elections and build majorities. </p>
<p>It will be VERY interesting to see exactly what the Minnesota GOP Platform looks like after the state convention. Will it be recognizable anymore? Will it look more like the LP or CP ones? Now sure, I think it has become watered down over the years, and also WAY too specific. It is largely useless as it is way to broad and frankly no one can possibly meet every aspect of it. But some of the resolutions are just plain silly.</p>
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		<title>By: MarianneS</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/04/24/let-me-get-this-right-im-supposed-to-be-a-democrat-according-to-ron-paul/#comment-41729</link>
		<dc:creator>MarianneS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answers:

1) I don't know.  I've always been a Republican, have always thought WE should be the conservative party.

2) Ron Paul Republicans want to bring the party back to its roots of a smaller government, more personal liberty and responsibility, federalism.  We've won when we've stood on principle.  We've lost when we've become more like the Democrats.  

3) See # 1 above.  I have no idea what the CP's goals are or how they're accomplishing them.  I'm glad they're there to at least act as a conscience for the GOP and to say, "Hey, look: We've got a Constitution!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answers:</p>
<p>1) I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;ve always been a Republican, have always thought WE should be the conservative party.</p>
<p>2) Ron Paul Republicans want to bring the party back to its roots of a smaller government, more personal liberty and responsibility, federalism.  We&#8217;ve won when we&#8217;ve stood on principle.  We&#8217;ve lost when we&#8217;ve become more like the Democrats.  </p>
<p>3) See # 1 above.  I have no idea what the CP&#8217;s goals are or how they&#8217;re accomplishing them.  I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re there to at least act as a conscience for the GOP and to say, &#8220;Hey, look: We&#8217;ve got a Constitution!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: clef</title>
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		<dc:creator>clef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We did bring some people back from the Constitution Party...."

3 Questions; if the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party have the conservative message average people identify with, how come they have not taken over as the conservative message standard bearer?  Is it's the Paulbotz goal to transform the Republican Party into a party similar to the Constitution Party?  Finally, how much effect has the Constitution Party had on public policy?  Answers appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We did bring some people back from the Constitution Party&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>3 Questions; if the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party have the conservative message average people identify with, how come they have not taken over as the conservative message standard bearer?  Is it&#8217;s the Paulbotz goal to transform the Republican Party into a party similar to the Constitution Party?  Finally, how much effect has the Constitution Party had on public policy?  Answers appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: clef</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2008/04/24/let-me-get-this-right-im-supposed-to-be-a-democrat-according-to-ron-paul/#comment-41727</link>
		<dc:creator>clef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The best way to get the Ron Paul people to come behind the nominee after the convention is not to kick them in the teeth"

Well, Marianne, from what I saw in the Sixth, it was the hard-working, old guard maistream Republicans who got kicked in the teeth, and it was the Paul people who have molar marks in their boots.

Just so you know, I think your people have a lot of fences to mend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The best way to get the Ron Paul people to come behind the nominee after the convention is not to kick them in the teeth&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Marianne, from what I saw in the Sixth, it was the hard-working, old guard maistream Republicans who got kicked in the teeth, and it was the Paul people who have molar marks in their boots.</p>
<p>Just so you know, I think your people have a lot of fences to mend.</p>
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		<title>By: MarianneS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarianneS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul Republicans have been out there working for other candidates for a while now.  Many of them in the 5th latched onto Barb Davis White right away.  Sure, they're not going to go work for the Override Six, but they are more than willing to help good, small government Republicans get elected.

Very few Ron Paul Republicans from the libertarian party.  We did bring some people back from the Constitution Party to which they'd fled when Republicans started to outspend and outgrow the Democrats.  But we have brought them back.  So let's try to keep them!

Any many of us are old GOP warhorses who've been around forever.  We have current BPOU Chairs, former BPOU Chairs, people who go back half a century in the party, the old Goldwaterites, the less old Reaganites, people who've put a lot of effort into the GOP.

Our party is healthiest when we allow for legitimate debate.  When Sullivan ran against Pawlenty for the endorsement in 2002, we debated for 13 ballots and until 1 AM.  That was healthy.  We all came together behind Pawlenty because we'd had a place at the table.

So I was dismayed to hear at the conventions last weekend that Ron Carey doesn't want us around, neither us oldtimers or the newcomers who have just started putting their energies into the GOP.  The best way to get the Ron Paul people to come behind the nominee after the convention is not to kick them in the teeth, but to offer them a seat at the table, a stake in the debate.  Let them feel vested in the process.  THAT is how a healthy party operates.

Take a look at what Nevada is doing.  They invited Ron Paul to speak at their state convention this weekend, and you know what?  They're winning the allegiance of all these Ron Paul Republicans who now feel grateful and vested in their state party.  Nevada has some smart party leadership.

  ~  ~  ~

On a separate note, we are vociferously for a strong national defense.  Right there in the Constitution.  It's allowed.  Wish we were doing a better job of protecting our borders.  Wish we weren't spread too thin.  Defense is a very legitimate function of the federal government unlike, say, a Department of Education which is much better handled at the state level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul Republicans have been out there working for other candidates for a while now.  Many of them in the 5th latched onto Barb Davis White right away.  Sure, they&#8217;re not going to go work for the Override Six, but they are more than willing to help good, small government Republicans get elected.</p>
<p>Very few Ron Paul Republicans from the libertarian party.  We did bring some people back from the Constitution Party to which they&#8217;d fled when Republicans started to outspend and outgrow the Democrats.  But we have brought them back.  So let&#8217;s try to keep them!</p>
<p>Any many of us are old GOP warhorses who&#8217;ve been around forever.  We have current BPOU Chairs, former BPOU Chairs, people who go back half a century in the party, the old Goldwaterites, the less old Reaganites, people who&#8217;ve put a lot of effort into the GOP.</p>
<p>Our party is healthiest when we allow for legitimate debate.  When Sullivan ran against Pawlenty for the endorsement in 2002, we debated for 13 ballots and until 1 AM.  That was healthy.  We all came together behind Pawlenty because we&#8217;d had a place at the table.</p>
<p>So I was dismayed to hear at the conventions last weekend that Ron Carey doesn&#8217;t want us around, neither us oldtimers or the newcomers who have just started putting their energies into the GOP.  The best way to get the Ron Paul people to come behind the nominee after the convention is not to kick them in the teeth, but to offer them a seat at the table, a stake in the debate.  Let them feel vested in the process.  THAT is how a healthy party operates.</p>
<p>Take a look at what Nevada is doing.  They invited Ron Paul to speak at their state convention this weekend, and you know what?  They&#8217;re winning the allegiance of all these Ron Paul Republicans who now feel grateful and vested in their state party.  Nevada has some smart party leadership.</p>
<p>  ~  ~  ~</p>
<p>On a separate note, we are vociferously for a strong national defense.  Right there in the Constitution.  It&#8217;s allowed.  Wish we were doing a better job of protecting our borders.  Wish we weren&#8217;t spread too thin.  Defense is a very legitimate function of the federal government unlike, say, a Department of Education which is much better handled at the state level.</p>
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		<title>By: George Judd Mowry</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Judd Mowry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We definately need to broaden the base of the Party.  Preaching to the "true believers" never really accomplished anything.  That said, the proof is in the pudding ... if the Ron Paul Revolution folks want to make a lasting impression on the Party (and the Country), then they are going to have to become integral, contributing members of the political process.  

That means that they are going to have to demonstrate their committment to the Republican Party through the activities that ensure that what we want gets accomplished.  They are going to have to demonstrate their grassroots committment through: making contributions to endorsed Republican candidates: working on campaigns at all levels this cycle (as Ron Paul will not be on the ticket); and, becoming involved in the activities of their Senate Districts.

Should this fail to happen, they will have to go back to leading those other "major" parties -- the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We definately need to broaden the base of the Party.  Preaching to the &#8220;true believers&#8221; never really accomplished anything.  That said, the proof is in the pudding &#8230; if the Ron Paul Revolution folks want to make a lasting impression on the Party (and the Country), then they are going to have to become integral, contributing members of the political process.  </p>
<p>That means that they are going to have to demonstrate their committment to the Republican Party through the activities that ensure that what we want gets accomplished.  They are going to have to demonstrate their grassroots committment through: making contributions to endorsed Republican candidates: working on campaigns at all levels this cycle (as Ron Paul will not be on the ticket); and, becoming involved in the activities of their Senate Districts.</p>
<p>Should this fail to happen, they will have to go back to leading those other &#8220;major&#8221; parties &#8212; the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party.</p>
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		<title>By: clef</title>
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		<dc:creator>clef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct, Drew, it IS the right of everyone to participate in this process.  Ron Paul's view stray a little from the views of what I think of as "mainstream Republican" (ie; the war on terror), but I can accept that ..... and them!  What I cannot and will not accept is the tactic of lies and deception they used to stake their claim to the highest honor the grassroots can bestow upon its leaders.  I cannot accept the divisive, scorched earth nature of the means they used to gain their power.  We are, after all, supposed to have a much greater purpose than a soapbox for 4 days in September.

I think we should welcome the Paul people, as long as they check their dishonest tactics and their exclusionary attitudes at the tent door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct, Drew, it IS the right of everyone to participate in this process.  Ron Paul&#8217;s view stray a little from the views of what I think of as &#8220;mainstream Republican&#8221; (ie; the war on terror), but I can accept that &#8230;.. and them!  What I cannot and will not accept is the tactic of lies and deception they used to stake their claim to the highest honor the grassroots can bestow upon its leaders.  I cannot accept the divisive, scorched earth nature of the means they used to gain their power.  We are, after all, supposed to have a much greater purpose than a soapbox for 4 days in September.</p>
<p>I think we should welcome the Paul people, as long as they check their dishonest tactics and their exclusionary attitudes at the tent door.</p>
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		<title>By: the Lady Logician</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Has anyone from the non-Paul ranks written about the positive contribution of the Ron Paul folks this cycle?"

You need to expand your daily reading Drew...there have been lots of positive posts about the Paul folks. 

LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Has anyone from the non-Paul ranks written about the positive contribution of the Ron Paul folks this cycle?&#8221;</p>
<p>You need to expand your daily reading Drew&#8230;there have been lots of positive posts about the Paul folks. </p>
<p>LL</p>
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