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	<title>Comments on: Minni-Frisco &#8211; Nanny-slators Introduce Lunacratic Auto Mandates</title>
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	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
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		<title>By: the Lady Logician</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anything a private citizen wants to do seems to require an EIS these days, why shouldnâ€™t governments be subject to their own laws? &quot;

You&#039;re joking right?  Since when has the government ever followed it&#039;s own laws?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anything a private citizen wants to do seems to require an EIS these days, why shouldnâ€™t governments be subject to their own laws? &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re joking right?  Since when has the government ever followed it&#8217;s own laws?</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: the Lady Logician</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Therefore I feel that the government does have a responsibility to â€œnudgeâ€ people into driving more appropriate vehicles for what their needs require.&quot;

Brent - where in the constitution does it say that government has the &quot;responsibility&quot; to tell people what to drive?????  If I chose to drive a car that gets 10 miles to the gallon, whether gas costs $1.00 a gallon or $10.00 WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS OR THE GOVERNMENTS?

It&#039;s my money.......

LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Therefore I feel that the government does have a responsibility to â€œnudgeâ€ people into driving more appropriate vehicles for what their needs require.&#8221;</p>
<p>Brent &#8211; where in the constitution does it say that government has the &#8220;responsibility&#8221; to tell people what to drive?????  If I chose to drive a car that gets 10 miles to the gallon, whether gas costs $1.00 a gallon or $10.00 WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS OR THE GOVERNMENTS?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my money&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, let&#039;s try this.  I want Rep. Hortmann to provide us with a complete Environmental Impact Statement in her bill.  I want to know EXACTLY how much global temperatures are going to come down if we do that, and what the economic effects of all that cold weather are going to be.   Anything a private citizen wants to do seems to require an EIS these days, why shouldn&#039;t governments be subject to their own laws?  

How about we just pass a law against global warming?  Wouldn&#039;t that be easier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s try this.  I want Rep. Hortmann to provide us with a complete Environmental Impact Statement in her bill.  I want to know EXACTLY how much global temperatures are going to come down if we do that, and what the economic effects of all that cold weather are going to be.   Anything a private citizen wants to do seems to require an EIS these days, why shouldn&#8217;t governments be subject to their own laws?  </p>
<p>How about we just pass a law against global warming?  Wouldn&#8217;t that be easier?</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Now, youâ€™re talking about a theocracy. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m really not sure how fuel-efficient cars have to do with religion.  Oh, you must be talking about Gore&#039;s religion of Green.

Well, I guess if you can&#039;t debate on facts, start throwing out scary words...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Now, youâ€™re talking about a theocracy. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure how fuel-efficient cars have to do with religion.  Oh, you must be talking about Gore&#8217;s religion of Green.</p>
<p>Well, I guess if you can&#8217;t debate on facts, start throwing out scary words&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What right does the Government have to control our way of life? 

I&#039;m sorry brent, I really think you may be in the wrong party if you think it is a good thing for the Government to be the social conscious for the people. Now, you&#039;re talking about a theocracy. 

If your Neo-socialist law passed will the government then create a goon squad or SS to go round up all us non-conformists who refuse to drive a tin can so the gas doesn&#039;t go so high?

You will have to pry my truck out of my cold dead hands. I dare anyone to tell me I have to buy a pos tin can that is incapable of doing what I need a vehicle to do. And if you get your fascist ideas passed and ban the production of them, I&#039;ll make my own. When you throw me in jail, you will soon realize you&#039;re being completely unDemocratic, and yes, I&#039;m going to say it...... unAmerican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What right does the Government have to control our way of life? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry brent, I really think you may be in the wrong party if you think it is a good thing for the Government to be the social conscious for the people. Now, you&#8217;re talking about a theocracy. </p>
<p>If your Neo-socialist law passed will the government then create a goon squad or SS to go round up all us non-conformists who refuse to drive a tin can so the gas doesn&#8217;t go so high?</p>
<p>You will have to pry my truck out of my cold dead hands. I dare anyone to tell me I have to buy a pos tin can that is incapable of doing what I need a vehicle to do. And if you get your fascist ideas passed and ban the production of them, I&#8217;ll make my own. When you throw me in jail, you will soon realize you&#8217;re being completely unDemocratic, and yes, I&#8217;m going to say it&#8230;&#8230; unAmerican.</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a democratic country, so I don&#039;t view it as a tyrannical measure that the government acts as a collective conscience for the community.  We all have a right to a say in government and therefore a say in the how the community fucctions.  

If would be one thing if things are a completely isolated independent activity.  But most things aren&#039;t, like like smoking and driving.  If you can drive around by yourself in a gas guzzler and can afford to pay for the gas you might think that you are only affecting yourself.  But, even then you are not, for instance, your gas-guzzling reduces the gas supply, raising prices for people who can&#039;t afford to spend extra money on gas.

Government can be used for good to promote socially-desirable aims.  Government has been used this way for decades both by conservatives and liberals.  So, I think that the use of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t051.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feebates&lt;/a&gt; can be a very compelling way to help people make wiser vehicle purchases in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a democratic country, so I don&#8217;t view it as a tyrannical measure that the government acts as a collective conscience for the community.  We all have a right to a say in government and therefore a say in the how the community fucctions.  </p>
<p>If would be one thing if things are a completely isolated independent activity.  But most things aren&#8217;t, like like smoking and driving.  If you can drive around by yourself in a gas guzzler and can afford to pay for the gas you might think that you are only affecting yourself.  But, even then you are not, for instance, your gas-guzzling reduces the gas supply, raising prices for people who can&#8217;t afford to spend extra money on gas.</p>
<p>Government can be used for good to promote socially-desirable aims.  Government has been used this way for decades both by conservatives and liberals.  So, I think that the use of <a href="http://www.aceee.org/pubs/t051.htm" rel="nofollow">Feebates</a> can be a very compelling way to help people make wiser vehicle purchases in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so who kidknapped me and sent me to East germany or the Soviet Union? No seriously, isn&#039;t this America, where freedom is the norm? Freedom to spend your money on what kind of car you want, what movie you go see, or what ever? Don&#039;t we have the freedom to make decisions for ourselves, whether or not others agree with us? 

If the American Government is now in the business of mandating our vehicles, maybe the American experiment has failed, and like previous democracies, so have we. 

This is just amazing logic Brent. You&#039;re going to use the Federal Government to &quot;nudge&quot; (read FORCE) people to buy what the Government says is good for them?   That&#039;s Stalinist and totalitarian thinking. That&#039;s a dictatorship there pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so who kidknapped me and sent me to East germany or the Soviet Union? No seriously, isn&#8217;t this America, where freedom is the norm? Freedom to spend your money on what kind of car you want, what movie you go see, or what ever? Don&#8217;t we have the freedom to make decisions for ourselves, whether or not others agree with us? </p>
<p>If the American Government is now in the business of mandating our vehicles, maybe the American experiment has failed, and like previous democracies, so have we. </p>
<p>This is just amazing logic Brent. You&#8217;re going to use the Federal Government to &#8220;nudge&#8221; (read FORCE) people to buy what the Government says is good for them?   That&#8217;s Stalinist and totalitarian thinking. That&#8217;s a dictatorship there pal.</p>
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		<title>By: spurringirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>spurringirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that is where we differ, because I don&#039;t believe the gov&#039;t should be telling people what to do.  I believe in personal responsility, even if, as you state above, there are people who don&#039;t think through their decisions or live within their means.  

Obviously they are not going to ban all SUV&#039;s, but making them prohibitively expensive is just as bad!  I&#039;m a productive member of society so that I can enjoy my personal freedoms on the weekends, be it trips to Andy&#039;s cabin or traveling hockey trips.  Things that would not be nearly as enjoyable or even possible w/out my SUV.  So, please don&#039;t take it away from me!  And think ahead to what it is going to cost you to buy one if your family grows larger or your kids pick up expensive hobbies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that is where we differ, because I don&#8217;t believe the gov&#8217;t should be telling people what to do.  I believe in personal responsility, even if, as you state above, there are people who don&#8217;t think through their decisions or live within their means.  </p>
<p>Obviously they are not going to ban all SUV&#8217;s, but making them prohibitively expensive is just as bad!  I&#8217;m a productive member of society so that I can enjoy my personal freedoms on the weekends, be it trips to Andy&#8217;s cabin or traveling hockey trips.  Things that would not be nearly as enjoyable or even possible w/out my SUV.  So, please don&#8217;t take it away from me!  And think ahead to what it is going to cost you to buy one if your family grows larger or your kids pick up expensive hobbies!</p>
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		<title>By: bmetzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmetzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spurringirl thanks, although I&#039;m sure that when my children are old enough to play hockey the Aveo will have been retired.

I don&#039;t think that anyone proposes banning everything but subcompacts completely, there are certainly legitimate uses for large vehicles.  But I think that too many people have purchased vehicles much larger then they really needed.  This is unnecessary.

You would think that people would think ahead when they purchase a vehicle and consider if the gas price doubles and I&#039;m driving 30 miles to work, will I be able to pay for the gas?  Yet for some reason they don&#039;t even when now still when the gas is $3 a gallon.  Therefore I feel that the government does have a responsibility to &quot;nudge&quot; people into driving more appropriate vehicles for what their needs require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spurringirl thanks, although I&#8217;m sure that when my children are old enough to play hockey the Aveo will have been retired.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that anyone proposes banning everything but subcompacts completely, there are certainly legitimate uses for large vehicles.  But I think that too many people have purchased vehicles much larger then they really needed.  This is unnecessary.</p>
<p>You would think that people would think ahead when they purchase a vehicle and consider if the gas price doubles and I&#8217;m driving 30 miles to work, will I be able to pay for the gas?  Yet for some reason they don&#8217;t even when now still when the gas is $3 a gallon.  Therefore I feel that the government does have a responsibility to &#8220;nudge&#8221; people into driving more appropriate vehicles for what their needs require.</p>
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		<title>By: spurringirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>spurringirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent - congrats on your growing family.  That is great!  I hope for your sake that none of your kids play hockey because no way you are fitting hockey gear in the Aveo!

Seriously though, there are people in this world who need big vehicles.  An Aveo is not going to haul a boat to the lake or a horse trailer to a rodeo.  Are we not going to allow folks to participate in these types of activities anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent &#8211; congrats on your growing family.  That is great!  I hope for your sake that none of your kids play hockey because no way you are fitting hockey gear in the Aveo!</p>
<p>Seriously though, there are people in this world who need big vehicles.  An Aveo is not going to haul a boat to the lake or a horse trailer to a rodeo.  Are we not going to allow folks to participate in these types of activities anymore?</p>
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