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Posted by Andy on June 1st, 2007
One of my usual sniveling critics is accusing me of cherry picking the facts in my post earlier today.
Let’s take a casual fisking stroll through this nit picking, shall we?
I find it interesting that you left out this section of the Washington Times article from your recent post:
A spokeswoman for the committee denied any drop-off in fundraising.
“Any assertion that overall donations have gone down is patently false,” RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt wrote by e-mail yesterday in response to questions sent by The Times. “We continue to out-raise our Democrat counterpart by a substantive amount (nearly double).”
So, the emailer thinks as long as we top the Dems in money, it doesn’t matter that donors are falling off because we are failing on the key issues of our base principles. (read: more of the same from last cycle)
and this section:
Miss Schmitt said terminating the phone solicitation staff “was not an easy decision. The first and primary motivating factor was the state of the phone bank technology, which was outdated and difficult to maintain. The RNC was advised that we would soon need an entire new system to remain viable.”
She also said that “the changing ways in which people choose to contribute” meant that the RNC’s in-house phone bank “was simply no longer cost effective, although unfortunate.”
Ahhhh, yes, of course. If they robo dial, there is no one there to be cursed at, hung up on, and told that “until Republicans start acting like Republicans, there is no need to waste your time calling me and this phone number”. Or read it as, we’re canning the people, all of them, because the equipment they use is out dated thanks to management. I don’t buy it for a second.
Wouldn’t a wise management decision be, to unveil and get the new system going before slashing and burning the staff running the current system.
And I find this comment interesting:
“We write these comments up from each call, and give them to a supervisor who passes them on to the finance director or the national chairman,” he said. “But when I talked with the White House, the people there told me they got nothing but positive comments on the president’s immigration stand.”
And that is because the National RNC Chairman is an Amnesty freak himself. And even the former Chair was an Amnesty supporter. The White House is actually launching its first PR salvo since the 2004 election against the Pro-border security conservative base of the Republican party. Nope, he’s not dusting off the cowboy-esque gravitas to take on the Dems, instead it is being used against his own party.
So yes, I guess I have to say that the person quoted in the story from the RNC is spinning this story to suit their agenda. Which is of course that there is no problem. that is the goal of ALL incumbent power brokers and Republican officials facing an election or controversy. And they are spinning that there is no internal turmoil with in the RNC over Bush and McCain’s Amnesty because Bush wants it to get passed.
But the fact is that Bush is ripping a hole in the hull of the GOP right now that will sink it. Amnesty is going to start an all out civil war (if you will) with in the GOP that will have lasting effects. Amnesty is going to kill the will of the base, and we will stay home during the 2008 campaign.
Do you really think a telemarketer for the RNC talks to people at White House? I think not.
While fundraising is down for the NRSC over the previous cycle, the RNC and NRCC both continue to do good. I think you do yourself a disservice when you try to twist the facts to meet your needs.
So in other words.
There is no problem. There is no problem. There is no problem.
Sorry, there pal, I think the RNC did themselves a disservice by trying to spin the fact that they canned their entire fundraising operation during a very controversial time. And I think it is flat out ironic that, just like the MNGOP, the fundraising staff is canned, and then someone says funds are right on pace or better than expected and it is a mere coincidence.
You can’t have it both ways. If the fundraising at the RNC is doing well, as you say, why in the heck would they need to scuttle the ship and start from scratch.
Take the cotton balls out of your ears.
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June 1st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Hopefully, if all the anti-amnesty supporters “abandon” the GOP, the party can build a “sane” base and work on making America better again. I’m sure that there plenty of moderates in the Democrat party who are more then ready to abandon that freak-show and join a sane party. Not sure what the “conservatives” will do, but they seem bent on self-destruction anyways, so they can go beat on themselves out of the way someplace.
The other alternative is that the “conservatives” manage to sink the whole ship before they self-destruct and we end up with a one-party country for decades to come. Oh, what the heck, I’m going to start practicing saying Senator Franken now anyways, I’m going to be saying enough of it sooner or later.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Well, if the RINOs keep this crap up, we may just have to do as you want us to do and leave.
Oh, and if the RINos were all that made up the GOP, well it would be a one party rule in this country as RINOs are in fact acting just like Democrats.
And for the record of any one reading this my philosophy on so called moderates, is that they are just plain unable to make up their minds, they want to have it both ways, IE they are simply populists….. oh and in fact it is the wishy washy people in the middle who make politics so dang ugly and annoying. If they would just make up their mind, politicians would stop pandering.
but then again, it is the all too indecisive moderates who apparently think they own the GOP. Oh well, I thought the party stood for conservative values. I guess I was wrong.
It would be a great campaign slogan….
GOP 2008:
Calling all moderates
We got rid of them pesky conservatives. who ended the 40 year reign of Democrats in Congress, and who have saved the economy numerous times from Democrats and big government RINOs.
Brent I seriously hope your comment was as light hearted as my response. But then again, every good joke has a grain of truth to it.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Brent - I certainly hope you did not mean to imply that those people who want the government to enforce LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS are insane?
LL
June 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 am
The Republican Party has a problem; it is losing the conservative voters that once voted for it. That base includes voters in the Constitution party, fiscal conservative Libertarians, and conservative independent voters. It will lose elections both nationally and in Minnesota; until it rids itself of “go along to get along” Republicans.
June 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 am
Matt - what I am trying to get Brent to understand is that the go-along-to-get-along’s and thhe hard core conservatives NEED EACH OTHER!!!! Neither side can do it alone. We have to work together if we are going to win….
LL
June 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 am
An interesting tidbit about the chair’s race that I first brought up last night right here.
Seems I am not the only one who received a phone call regarding the Chair/Deputy Chair race.
http://www.minnesotademocratsexposed.com/2007/06/01/ap-state-rep-atkins-decides-against-us-senate-run/#comments
I think the biggest development here is that these calls are seeming to be very polite calls and not attacks at all.
I am still wanting to find out if these calls were targeted or ig they were generally calling all delegates.
June 2nd, 2007 at 2:30 pm
L. L.
I have read your excellent posts at Ladies Logic about purists and pragmatist.
I am just stating that those other conservative voters are not voting for the Republican Party, because they have lost faith in those republican elected officials who claim the same conservative values.
June 2nd, 2007 at 4:08 pm
what I am trying to get Brent to understand is that the go-along-to-get-along’s and thhe hard core conservatives NEED EACH OTHER!!!! Neither side can do it alone. We have to work together if we are going to win….
LL: I know that both sides need each other to win. I’ve lived with that principal as long as I’ve been involved in politics. That’s why it’s so frustating to me now the increased pressure to purge certain people from the party who aren’t ideologically pure enough. It seems like the party has become a fantasy where you have to agree 100% or close to that with certain specific people to be accepted. And that’s wrong for the party.
Brent
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:40 pm
“LL: I know that both sides need each other to win. I’ve lived with that principal as long as I’ve been involved in politics.”
And yet you choose to alienate those core conservative voters by calling them “crazy”.
That is hardly working with us Brent….
LL
June 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Sorry, I’m a bit frusterated. I’ve worked with a lot of conservative members of the Republican Party and we’ve been able to get along with each other, but certain conservatives are really making it difficult for me to consider myself Republican anymore. It is those conservatives that think are crazy. Not because I want them to leave the party as much as they want me and others like me to leave, but because they seem to think that without me and those who hold my views will just join the DFL, that Republicans will somehow become a majority party again. And it’s just nonsense, it’s blantently crazy thoughts. Oh, that’s what I said, I said they were crazy. So, take it for what it’s worth, there are certain conservatives that don’t seem to be politically sane.
June 3rd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
And that is the clarification that I was looking for Brent. Yes, there are some “crazies” on both sides of the political aisle, however, the firsts rule in politics is not to CALL them crazy otherwise you get them turned against you! Sometimes you have to “play the game” - gawd I guess I was in corporate America too long….
Seriously, never write off large portions of the party. Again we need each other if we are going to win. ALSO, don’t ever dismiss out of hand their concerns (as the Bush Administration is doing on the Immigration Bill) or you will dig yourself into a whole that you will never be able to extract yourself from…..
LL
June 3rd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
And that is the clarification that I was looking for Brent. Yes, there are some “crazies” on both sides of the political aisle, however, the firsts rule in politics is not to CALL them crazy otherwise you get them turned against you! Sometimes you have to “play the game” - gawd I guess I was in corporate America too long….
Seriously, never write off large portions of the party. Again we need each other if we are going to win. ALSO, don’t ever dismiss out of hand their concerns (as the Bush Administration is doing on the Immigration Bill) or you will dig yourself into a whole that you will never be able to extract yourself from…..
LL