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	<title>Comments on: Gender Inequity</title>
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	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
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		<title>By: Nordeaster</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37657</link>
		<dc:creator>Nordeaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they discriminated against the woman by giving her the promotion instead of the man?  The heartless bastards.

Just giving you a little grief, ML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they discriminated against the woman by giving her the promotion instead of the man?  The heartless bastards.</p>
<p>Just giving you a little grief, ML.</p>
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		<title>By: montanaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37655</link>
		<dc:creator>montanaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This is bigoted sexism sanctioned and enforced through the Government if this crap passes."

uhm, earth to andy, this wasn't even proposed in any sort of legislature unless i'm reading that article incorrectly? it was just one economists idea...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is bigoted sexism sanctioned and enforced through the Government if this crap passes.&#8221;</p>
<p>uhm, earth to andy, this wasn&#8217;t even proposed in any sort of legislature unless i&#8217;m reading that article incorrectly? it was just one economists idea&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: montanaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37654</link>
		<dc:creator>montanaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 13:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm not saying it's total commonplace, but i've experienced it first hand at the managerial level, where my previous company gave the job to a woman because they knew they could pay her less...

thank god i don't work there anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s total commonplace, but i&#8217;ve experienced it first hand at the managerial level, where my previous company gave the job to a woman because they knew they could pay her less&#8230;</p>
<p>thank god i don&#8217;t work there anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: montanaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37653</link>
		<dc:creator>montanaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 13:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lady... ok, if you say so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lady&#8230; ok, if you say so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nordeaster</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37651</link>
		<dc:creator>Nordeaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy asked "Should Tarryl. Clark make more that Larry Pogemiller?"

If there were any justice, an organ grinder's monkey would make more than Larry Pogemiller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy asked &#8220;Should Tarryl. Clark make more that Larry Pogemiller?&#8221;</p>
<p>If there were any justice, an organ grinder&#8217;s monkey would make more than Larry Pogemiller.</p>
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		<title>By: spurringirl</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37650</link>
		<dc:creator>spurringirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in what would historically be considered a very male dominated industry, an Old Boys Club, if you will.  I can say that I've never seen any gender discrimination.  

It is my feeling that promotions should go to the most qualified, hardest working individuals.  If I take an extended leave to raise a family or go back part-time, I do not expect the same compensation as somebody who has worked harder and gained more experience than I.  Corporate America's primary responsibility is to the shareholders, they are the owners of the Corporation.  Their goal is the long range profitability of the company.  If somebody is willing to give his/her life to help attain the long range plans of a firm, then absolutely yes, they should be compensated for that.

As the Lady Logician implies above, those of us who want work/life balance and understand economics accept that fact.  I know that I could make more money, but I would lose the flexibility that I now have to pick up my son, go on field trips, etc.  And maybe more women in general do make her family her priority.  But at the end of the day, we are all compensated for the level of effort we put forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in what would historically be considered a very male dominated industry, an Old Boys Club, if you will.  I can say that I&#8217;ve never seen any gender discrimination.  </p>
<p>It is my feeling that promotions should go to the most qualified, hardest working individuals.  If I take an extended leave to raise a family or go back part-time, I do not expect the same compensation as somebody who has worked harder and gained more experience than I.  Corporate America&#8217;s primary responsibility is to the shareholders, they are the owners of the Corporation.  Their goal is the long range profitability of the company.  If somebody is willing to give his/her life to help attain the long range plans of a firm, then absolutely yes, they should be compensated for that.</p>
<p>As the Lady Logician implies above, those of us who want work/life balance and understand economics accept that fact.  I know that I could make more money, but I would lose the flexibility that I now have to pick up my son, go on field trips, etc.  And maybe more women in general do make her family her priority.  But at the end of the day, we are all compensated for the level of effort we put forth.</p>
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		<title>By: the Lady Logician</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37649</link>
		<dc:creator>the Lady Logician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ML - you are nuts!  If that were indeed the case there would be 100% employment of women because we all know that evil big business is all about making the most money possible....

Talking points aside, there is a big reason for the so-called pay gap.  Women like ME....3 years ago I left a full time job where I was making high 5 figures in order to be home more with my teen age Junior Logician.  I am making less than half of what I was making but my current job has the flexibility that allows me to work at home on in-service days or snow days are juggle my hours around so that I can take time off to go on field trips and the like.  Yes, I could (and would) be making much more if I were working full time (I was making more than my male counterparts BTW) within my industry, but I am more fulfilled now than I was then and THAT is more important than the money.

People like me are what skews the numbers which is why the gender pay gap is a FALLICY!

LL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ML - you are nuts!  If that were indeed the case there would be 100% employment of women because we all know that evil big business is all about making the most money possible&#8230;.</p>
<p>Talking points aside, there is a big reason for the so-called pay gap.  Women like ME&#8230;.3 years ago I left a full time job where I was making high 5 figures in order to be home more with my teen age Junior Logician.  I am making less than half of what I was making but my current job has the flexibility that allows me to work at home on in-service days or snow days are juggle my hours around so that I can take time off to go on field trips and the like.  Yes, I could (and would) be making much more if I were working full time (I was making more than my male counterparts BTW) within my industry, but I am more fulfilled now than I was then and THAT is more important than the money.</p>
<p>People like me are what skews the numbers which is why the gender pay gap is a FALLICY!</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37647</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is bigoted sexism sanctioned and enforced through the Government if this crap passes.

Let me ask you social engineers a question.

Should Tarryl. Clark make more that Larry Pogemiller?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bigoted sexism sanctioned and enforced through the Government if this crap passes.</p>
<p>Let me ask you social engineers a question.</p>
<p>Should Tarryl. Clark make more that Larry Pogemiller?</p>
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		<title>By: Nordeaster</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37646</link>
		<dc:creator>Nordeaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I'm saying is you can't determine there is a gender gap simply by looking at the salaries of the two genders -- you have to compare like to like on a whole multitude of factors, not just "equivalent" work.

I'm also saying that where there is a gender gap it usually isn't due to discrimination but other factors and choices made.

Right now college enrollment is 60-40 female.  Is that a gender gap? You could say so. Is it one that needs to be closed?  I don't think so.  It's probably just that college appeals to a higher percentage of women than men, while alternatives such as trade schools, trade work or self-employment might appeal to a higher percentage of males.

While the genders are equal under the law and should be treated as such, they are not THE SAME and will not make the same choices as a generality.  We seem to have no trouble acknowledging the differences in field of relationships (Men are from Mars..., et al), but we pretend those diffences don't exist and effect behavior in other areas.  Larry Summers was skewered for suggesting just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying is you can&#8217;t determine there is a gender gap simply by looking at the salaries of the two genders &#8212; you have to compare like to like on a whole multitude of factors, not just &#8220;equivalent&#8221; work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also saying that where there is a gender gap it usually isn&#8217;t due to discrimination but other factors and choices made.</p>
<p>Right now college enrollment is 60-40 female.  Is that a gender gap? You could say so. Is it one that needs to be closed?  I don&#8217;t think so.  It&#8217;s probably just that college appeals to a higher percentage of women than men, while alternatives such as trade schools, trade work or self-employment might appeal to a higher percentage of males.</p>
<p>While the genders are equal under the law and should be treated as such, they are not THE SAME and will not make the same choices as a generality.  We seem to have no trouble acknowledging the differences in field of relationships (Men are from Mars&#8230;, et al), but we pretend those diffences don&#8217;t exist and effect behavior in other areas.  Larry Summers was skewered for suggesting just that.</p>
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		<title>By: montanaliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2007/04/30/gender-inequity/#comment-37643</link>
		<dc:creator>montanaliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>basically what you're trying to tell me in a long winded attempt is... that you don't believe in the gender gap...

or if you do, that it's because of some other reason than just male vs. female, which obviously can't be true...

i realize it's not all cut and dry here, trust me, but the fact still remains, is it happens, even without some other outside factor like you describe above, and that's what i'm getting at... that's what needs to be eliminated in the next 10 years (or should have been in the 70's and 80's)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>basically what you&#8217;re trying to tell me in a long winded attempt is&#8230; that you don&#8217;t believe in the gender gap&#8230;</p>
<p>or if you do, that it&#8217;s because of some other reason than just male vs. female, which obviously can&#8217;t be true&#8230;</p>
<p>i realize it&#8217;s not all cut and dry here, trust me, but the fact still remains, is it happens, even without some other outside factor like you describe above, and that&#8217;s what i&#8217;m getting at&#8230; that&#8217;s what needs to be eliminated in the next 10 years (or should have been in the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s)</p>
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