Comments on: Ending Tax Breaks To Rich (Farmers), Disappoints Klobuchar & Coleman http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/ A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:53:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bob from ALAMN http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35185 Bob from ALAMN Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:53:15 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35185 Met with some real (not residual) forces today at the State Office Building as testimony began on the Freedom To Breathe Act of 2007. Marines. Sailors. Soldiers. Airmen. All veterans for smokefree air. Most of the guys I meet were from the "Greatest Generation" -- guys who reminded me of my Uncle Joe, the bomber pilot. Or my Uncle Josef, the naturalized citizen who fought the Nazis in two armies -- Polish and British. Can't forget Uncle Bill, career Navy (CPO). Sp4 Moffitt was proud to stand with them, and shake their hand. Think the pro-smoke side has won? Look into the the eyes of some of these old -- but still tough and proud veterans, still ready to fight the good fight -- and say that. Met with some real (not residual) forces today at the State Office Building as testimony began on the Freedom To Breathe Act of 2007. Marines. Sailors. Soldiers. Airmen. All veterans for smokefree air. Most of the guys I meet were from the “Greatest Generation” — guys who reminded me of my Uncle Joe, the bomber pilot. Or my Uncle Josef, the naturalized citizen who fought the Nazis in two armies — Polish and British. Can’t forget Uncle Bill, career Navy (CPO). Sp4 Moffitt was proud to stand with them, and shake their hand.

Think the pro-smoke side has won? Look into the the eyes of some of these old — but still tough and proud veterans, still ready to fight the good fight — and say that.

]]> By: Swiftee http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35166 Swiftee Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:12:44 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35166 "Besides, we have done the grunt work to get these fuels available in Minnesota." Lung, If by "we" you mean "you" then "grunt work" means "lying". There is not one single fact or statement that anyone can take at face value from you or the horse you rode in on. We got so tired of shredding your anti-tobacco BS to ribbons it became easier just to point out "the Lung said that" since everyone understands what that means. If farmers want to get together to build stills to turn their corn into alcohol, that's fine. Just as long as I don't have to subsidize that losing proposition. “Besides, we have done the grunt work to get these fuels available in Minnesota.”

Lung,

If by “we” you mean “you” then “grunt work” means “lying”. There is not one single fact or statement that anyone can take at face value from you or the horse you rode in on.

We got so tired of shredding your anti-tobacco BS to ribbons it became easier just to point out “the Lung said that” since everyone understands what that means.

If farmers want to get together to build stills to turn their corn into alcohol, that’s fine. Just as long as I don’t have to subsidize that losing proposition.

]]> By: Andy http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35152 Andy Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:04:37 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35152 Lung Ass Bob, I'm curious, do you support higher CAFE standards? Lung Ass Bob,

I’m curious, do you support higher CAFE standards?

]]> By: Bob from the ALAMN http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35151 Bob from the ALAMN Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:00:12 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35151 Lady L: What would you prefer? There are no other alternative fuels that can work in vehicles already on the road and in the showrooms. Besides, we have done the grunt work to get these fuels available in Minnesota. What have you done to help your state and your country? Of course, you can buy a hybrid vehicle. Or a big SUV (hopefully one that can use E85 as well as gasoline). The choice is yours. That's why we call our website: www.CleanAirChoice.org Lady L: What would you prefer? There are no other alternative fuels that can work in vehicles already on the road and in the showrooms. Besides, we have done the grunt work to get these fuels available in Minnesota. What have you done to help your state and your country?

Of course, you can buy a hybrid vehicle. Or a big SUV (hopefully one that can use E85 as well as gasoline). The choice is yours. That’s why we call our website: http://www.CleanAirChoice.org

]]> By: The Lady Logician http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35148 The Lady Logician Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:34:09 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35148 Actually Montana - the other side has proposed several things (besides additional drilling) that has been pooh-poohed by the enviros as being "unfeasible". Clean coal for one, shale oil for another. I realize that the technology for shale oil production is still in it's infancy, just like ethanol is. Bob - you want to give consumers a choice, then give us a real choice! Not just a choice from a list that "you" deem to be acceptable! LL Actually Montana - the other side has proposed several things (besides additional drilling) that has been pooh-poohed by the enviros as being “unfeasible”. Clean coal for one, shale oil for another. I realize that the technology for shale oil production is still in it’s infancy, just like ethanol is.

Bob - you want to give consumers a choice, then give us a real choice! Not just a choice from a list that “you” deem to be acceptable!

LL

]]> By: montanaliberal http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35140 montanaliberal Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:06:14 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35140 what i'd like to know, is what do you on the other side propose Andy? to just keep drilling anywhere we can in the US that's worthwhile, and work harder to use up everything? unless you have stocks in oil companies, why would you oppose ANY type of renewable energy really? i don't really get it... i mean working towards using less non-renewable energy forms SHOULD be something that anyone who calls themsevles a "conservative" should be interested in? what i’d like to know, is what do you on the other side propose Andy? to just keep drilling anywhere we can in the US that’s worthwhile, and work harder to use up everything?

unless you have stocks in oil companies, why would you oppose ANY type of renewable energy really? i don’t really get it… i mean working towards using less non-renewable energy forms SHOULD be something that anyone who calls themsevles a “conservative” should be interested in?

]]> By: Bob from the ALAMN http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35138 Bob from the ALAMN Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:03:10 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35138 Corn is being sold as the next big thing to replace oil. By whom? Not us. All we say is Minnesota motorists should have a choice at the pump -- gasoline or cleaner-burning E85 or biodiesel. BTW: The final product of celulosic ethanol is identical to ethanol produced from corn, sugar, sugarbeets, etc. Ethanol is ethanol. While the process is ancient, the technology in ethanol plants is increasingly sophisticated. One MN plant is adding a biomass converter to power itself. Another has already cut its power needs by 45% by adding a wind turbine. Corn is being sold as the next big thing to replace oil.

By whom? Not us. All we say is Minnesota motorists should have a choice at the pump — gasoline or cleaner-burning E85 or biodiesel.

BTW: The final product of celulosic ethanol is identical to ethanol produced from corn, sugar, sugarbeets, etc. Ethanol is ethanol. While the process is ancient, the technology in ethanol plants is increasingly sophisticated. One MN plant is adding a biomass converter to power itself. Another has already cut its power needs by 45% by adding a wind turbine.

]]> By: montanaliberal http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35135 montanaliberal Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:00:30 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35135 also, if you know ANYTHING about farming, just because a farmers "gross income" is over $200k, doesn't mean they NET anything close to that. my uncle's tiny farm grosses around $150k a year, yet he takes home about $50-60k after all expenses, etc. also, if you know ANYTHING about farming, just because a farmers “gross income” is over $200k, doesn’t mean they NET anything close to that.

my uncle’s tiny farm grosses around $150k a year, yet he takes home about $50-60k after all expenses, etc.

]]> By: montanaliberal http://www.residualforces.com/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35134 montanaliberal Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:50:56 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2007/02/01/ending-tax-breaks-to-rich-farmers-disappoints-klobuchar-coleman/#comment-35134 you are aware that the number of "rich farmers" is about less than 1% of all farmers right? and that a majority just struggle to get by until the next harvest? whereas, pretty much ANYONE who has even a small stake in an oil field, is quite well off? you are aware that the number of “rich farmers” is about less than 1% of all farmers right? and that a majority just struggle to get by until the next harvest?

whereas, pretty much ANYONE who has even a small stake in an oil field, is quite well off?

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