Joe Bodell, U.S. Made Saddam So Bad
Posted by Andy on December 30th, 2006
Minnesota Campaign Report is a local lefty blog run by one of the local George Soros paid shills. I normally don’t spend much time browsing around there, but someone emailed me, and said that I’d be VERY interested in the Soros paid political blogger’s take of the Saddam execution.
It was in paragraph form, I bullet pointed it so you see EXACTLY what he was saying, and emphasis is mine.
And yes, I do have thoughts on the hanging of Saddam Hussein. I just can’t give them top billing, because I don’t see any good answers to the quandaries I find myself pondering.
- Was he a terrible dictator who ruined and ended countless lives? Yes.
- Did our leaders lie repeatedly to get us to this point? Yes.
So it is ok to rule a country as a terrible dictator and ruin countless lives. Wait, let me guess, Mr. Bodell has sent Castro a ‘Get well card’.
- Did Saddam deserve to die for his crimes? Yes.
- Did he commit many of those crimes with implicit and covert American support? Yes.
Did you catch that? He just implied that Saddam murdered countless Iraqis with covert US support. What proof has he got? Why does he instantly decide that if Saddam, a man who murdered his way to power 3 decades ago, could only be an evil man with US support? Does he hate Bush so much that he’d blame all of America for something only Saddam made happen?
- Do Saddam’s supporters now have a martyr for which to fight? Yes.
Wait! I thought Saddam had nothing to do with terrorists? That’s what the left has repeatedly said. Why would they simply assume that killing one of the most savage leaders in world history would propel him to martyrdom? Could it be that Bodell secretly knows the absolute evil of the terrorists who support Saddam (and of which Saddam hoped to lead against America, remember he did try to assassinate one of our former Presidents) and Bodell is just too afraid to stand up and call the the Saddam ’supporters’ what they are? An enemy to World freedom and peace. And a threat, yes threat to America.
- Is the penalty of death something best left to God’s determination, instead of the judgment of mortal, flawed human beings? I think so, how do you feel?
And there you have it. In order to get to his actual point (capital punishment is wrong), he has to make excuses for Saddam, blame America for Saddam’s genocide, and say that Saddam assuming room temperature is going create more jihaders.
There are nuances to this entire ordeal that many people on both sides of every cultural divide in America simply don’t want to think about. And that bugs the hell out of me.
What bugs the hell out of me is that a liberal punk who gets paid by the largest America hater in the world is actually going to say that Saddam’s genocide and terroristic rule over his people and the region is the fault of the US. I am sick and tired of punks like this that spew hate like this, especially when they are receiving money from someone who wants to see America lose.
I am going to take a big and bold stand here, and do what needs to be done. Joe Bodell is not a patriot. I did not call him unpatriotic, but post is an example of anti-patriotism. You can not besmirch the reputation of your entire nation, blame a foreign leader’s genocidal mass murderous behavior on your own nation with no proof, and then try to wrap yourself in your flag.
Just like John Kerry and Ted Kennedy are as close to traitors as you get, Joe Bodell has crossed a line between dissent, and aid and comfort that we should debate.
Is it OK for a paid political operative to attempt to make statements like this? Now I know Bodell says that what is on MCR are his words, but he is being paid to blog at MiniMoni (that’s the MN Democratic leaning blog that is funded by George Soros through one of his political smear laundering rackets, MediaMatters.org), is there some magical time clock in his head for these thoughts? Some are off the Soros dime, some are on?
With such dangerous and slanderous words about America, I think that we need to seriously ask ourselves if any group or affiliation he has after this should have to address the situation. Silence from his fellow lefties that he shares the Soros funded Minnesota Monitor with, is tantamount to an endorsement of his words.
Is it the commonly held Minnesota Progressive/Democratic view that America is responsible for Saddam murdering his own people? Would the World be better off with Saddam alive, maybe even free, rather than having been put to death by the duly elected government of Iraq?
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December 30th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
Wow - is he blaiming America?
December 30th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
no it’s not the commonly held belief, but the US DID back Saddam and Iraq against Iran in the 80’s, hell i could link the image of Saddam & Rummy shaking hands if you’d like.
i’m guessing that’s what he’s referring to.
is America responsible for him murdering his own people and him turning into the tyrant he became? Not exactly. Are our hands entirely clean? Not exactly.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:26 pm
I know of the picture of Saddam with Rumsfeld. But Bodell is saying Saddam committed crimes with the support of America. That’s a tough statement.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
it’s a sketchy statement for sure
December 30th, 2006 at 5:36 pm
why not shoot him an email asking him to clarify what he is claiming?
mncampaignreport@yahoo.com
December 30th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
These are the lefty talking points. I heard the Rummy picture thing from someone already.
Fine
http://tammybruce.com/2006/09/flashback_nuclear.php
Why do all the pro UN lefties not care about the human rights violations of Saddam?
Why can’t they make the link regarding Iran’s support for the anti-Iraq government insurgency if they can so easily blame Saddam’s genocide on us?
December 30th, 2006 at 7:24 pm
It’s not that lefties don’t care about the human rights violations of Saddam, it’s that there’s NO SHORTAGE of other places in the world that are experiencing as much if not more human rights violations.
The difference is, the US has financial interest in Iraq and the Middle East, and you can deny it until you’re blue in the face, but anyone with a smidgen of an education and a grasp on US & World History, no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall into, has got to realize that money and resources DOES play a factor in US politics in terms of what causes we decide to fight. I’m not one of those “No Blood For Oil” types, but to deny that there isn’t some truth to our reason behind our interest in the middle east is simply naive imo.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
Saddam didn’t get permission from us to wage internal war but, we sure didn’t stop him. In the early 80’s we sold him weapons, like we did to lots of other countries. Later in that decade he used some of those weapons to take out the Kurds and put them in their place. Our deal was that he could do what he want as long as he doesn’t encroach on our other pals. Hell, there wasn’t a lot of hay made over his invasion into Kuwaiit until, he kept rolling straight toward Saudi Arabia. That’s when Bush and Co. drew that line and we (yep- WE as in me) kicked his ass back across the border. He was tolerable by us because he was secular and could be bought. He found religion again since he’s been on death row but, during his reign he was verry secular and materialistic.
Andy is little young to remember what it was like during the cold war but, sometimes we (USA) danced with the devil and turned a blind eye because our focus was at a higher level. Human Rights issues alone were a luxury that need something that had to do with our safety and national security back then. Saddam gassing the Kurds was horrible but, as long as he was able to keep the more Western hating Iranians at bay, let him be. When Saddam tried to take over a quarter of the Worlds oil supply by moving forward into Saudi Arabia, we couldn’t let that happen. It would have crippled our economy and our cold war activities.
We could go over the 80’s year by year, the point is that we did nothing but sell weapons to Saddam and share intelligence on our common enemy. When he made a move that threaten us, we pushed him back and cut him off. That’s the truth. You can call it blaming America (I don’t know how), or realize that foreign policy was/is complex and sometimes for our safety and security we let things go.
Remember, Osama Bin Ladin and the Taliban received weapond from us too in the 80’s. Why? Because they were the force that the Russians could not beat in Afgahnistan. They were killing more Soviet troops than you could shake a stick at. (Remember Rambo III?).
WMD’s was the call for this war.
Human Rights violations are abundant around the world especially in several African countries. Like in the MidEast, and even in America, when people are oppressed, they turn to faith and religion. What religion is catching like wildfire in Africa? Islam (the radical variety). Would it not be good for America in the short and long run to start really investing time and influence on the African continent? We can’t repeat our mistake of the 80’s AND the 90’s there.
We need to get our shit together and stop trying to one up each other and realize the simpel black and white right and wrong world does not exist.
December 31st, 2006 at 6:39 pm
Saddam Hussein recieved financial support and weapons from America during his war with Iran. We happily turned a blind eye to him gassing Iranians (which is illegal) because hey, they were Iranians!
Further, because of the United States interest in stemming the ‘growth’ of Communism in the Middle East we gave financial and logistical support to the Baath party in the 1960’s and 70’s. The Baath party’s emnity for the Muslim Brotherhood (who were supported by the Russians) made them our friend.
Saddam Hussein is dead, a great thing, really. But, do we get to do a victory lap when it’s our own golem we’re putting down?
Sean
January 1st, 2007 at 2:06 am
I won’t be silent. Joe was dead on. And if you’re going to call him a traitor, you’d better have some better example than him citing facts from our complicated relationship with Saddam. I would think Joe at least has a prima facie libel case.
January 1st, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Pfft, Jeff “America Embraces Defeat” Feckeless to the rescue..”I won’t be silent”…Hahaha!
Is free legal support part of the MiniMoni compensation package from Soros, Inc. Feckeless? Listen, there aren’t enough lawyers in the country to defend your honor or Bodell’s…you MiniMoni sock puppets sold it George Soros for $1500.
Of course you fifth columnists would be incapable of recognizing the fact that during the time in question (the early 80’s), Iraq (via Saddam) was an avowed enemy of Iraq, which was then and is now an avowed enemy of the United States.
The President of the United States, in accordance with Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution takes a solemn oath to “to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
In the furtherance of that oath, many Presidents have put the support of the country behind “the lesser of two evils” to maintain peace and security in volatile regions of the planet; Manual Noriega for another example.
Saddam’s crimes against humanity were taking place during that time to be sure, but they were occurring behind a curtain of complete silence. To suggest that any sitting President would abet in any way, the methodical slaughter of innocent civilians is to accuse that President of an unforgivable breach of that oath.
When it became known that Hussein was committing crimes we first cut diplomatic relations with him and then took him down, and just like Noriega, he was tried in a court of justice.
No President has ever breached his oath of office in the manner that the lunatic left is suggesting…never.
Anyone who would suggest that this country would be a willing participant in genocide could accurately be called a lying, anti-American propagandist. An American citizen who helps spread such lies for the purpose of demoralizing the country can accurately be called a traitor. Someone who gets paid to say such things is simply beyond contempt.
January 1st, 2007 at 2:50 pm
“When it became known that Hussein was committing crimes we first cut diplomatic relations with him and then took him down, and just like Noriega, he was tried in a court of justice.”
No we didn’t. You’re lying.
Prove it Swiftee.
Sean
January 1st, 2007 at 2:53 pm
I won’t be silent:
“I would think Joe at least has a prima facie libel case.”
Lemme guess: you’re expert on L&S law because you have a friend who’s a lawyer.
January 1st, 2007 at 4:20 pm
I’ve got nothing to say or prove to you or anyone else involved in the anti-American circle jerk that the lunatic left has turned into. Go write your buddy Osama a tear stained letter about it.
January 1st, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I’ll take that as your cogno answer that you can’t. I expect nothing less.
Sean
January 1st, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Take it any way you want to sport.
The important point that you take with you (on your way out) is that I’d sooner try to strike up a serious conversation with a couple of mutts breeding on the street than a lefty…come to think of it, first I’d have to make sure those “mutts” weren’t just a couple of lefties engaging in their alternative lifestyles.
January 1st, 2007 at 9:27 pm
So should we have let the Soviets take over the region?
Or should we have sent in our own troops?
I know you leftes would oppose the later, but what about the former.
January 1st, 2007 at 11:14 pm
My simple question is do we really get a victory lap when it’s our own golem we’re putting down?
I am happy with the death of Saddam Hussein, as I think Joe made clear he was as well, but really, do we get to pat ourselves on the back when it’s the monster of our own making that we’re killing?
And, in regards to the question of what should we have done– I dunno, but I bet it would have been (and still would be cheaper) to engage the people of the region in positive Democratic, and capitalistic enterprises, but it’s more expedient to prop-up dictatorial regiemes.
And Andy, finally given the shit-fit you threw, the pitiful display of childish wankery at the republicant loss and the shellacking your BPOU recieved specifically it’s probably in your best interests not to be dismissive of the ‘lefties’ because we’re going to be the ones in power.
Sean
January 1st, 2007 at 11:31 pm
The Iraqis took out their own mad man.
My problem is why did he have to blame America for Saddam? It seems all too instinctual from liberals. Saddam was a brutal man, there are countless people just like him. Shall we talk about Clinton’s buddy Yasir? How about Carter’s pal Kim Jong Il? Who made those terrorists? See, I can pass blame too.
So, we should just send money over there, and hope ’some’ of it gets to the people? Yeah, that’s working so well in Africa.
There was no overwhelming victory by the DFL. 59% turnout is pretty dismal, and not too many of your people were running as champions of the liberal DFL way. I have a strong feeling you won’t be in power for long. People will quickly see the destructive ways of the DFL. Tax and spend, nanny state, government intervention on all aspects of life, and social engineering is not a sustainable agenda. Plus I have full faith in people to correct their mistakes. I’ll be one of the people out here trying to make sure people see just how dangerous a one party ruled state is, especially when ‘just raise taxes’ is the solution for every problem.
January 1st, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Tsk tsk tsk Andy– where are your ideas? The Republican party in Minnesota has just become reactionary due to people like you!
Excuses and whining won’t win elections, and it’s okay, I figure you guys botched up your chance at the helm good enough to ensure that Democrats can continue to build on our successes this year and as we build a generation long Democratic majority you’ll get used to being nutered like all good farm animals do. You’ll answer to commands, you’ll be so cute begging at the side of the grown ups table and you’ll know your role.
Sit Ubu, sit!
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:09 am
Swiftee and Andy, God bless you both.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:23 am
Wow, Sean, aren’t you just the model for political tolerance and bi-partisanship.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 am
Dear Andy–
I stole that quote from Grover Norquist, someone who you’re probably in total agreement with.
“[Democrats] will only become acceptable once they are comfortable in their minority status. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they’ve been fixed, then they are happy and sedate.”
And, as you had just challenged the patriotism of people who disagree with you, you are in no position to to talk about “tolerance” and “bi-partisanship”.
I wonder how long before Margaret Anderson Kelliher is sworn in as Speaker of the House…hmmmm.
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:51 am
I challenged the patriotism of people who disagree with America.
That’s fine, gloat all you want. The burden is now on Democrats. Will they go for their gold and create the perfect nanny state utopia and tax the heck out of everything? Please just try to do half the stuff you want, and 2008 will be the rip tide of your ‘tsunami’.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 am
So Andy– do you have to agree with everything every President ever did in America’s name? And, I think that you’re taking this to the hyperbolic next level (and I would really expect nothing less, I don’t come here for nuanced political discourse, I come here to watch people like you and swiftee hyperventillate).
Joe wrote: “Did he commit many of those crimes with implicit and covert American support? Yes.”
Which is true. He didn’t place any judgement on it, he just wrote a factual statement, you’re the one tying yourself on the cross and calling him a traitor.
For being true.
You don’t dispute what he said, you don’t provide any factual rebuttal, you just dig up Jeane Kirkpatrick and have her start miming how Joe is all about “Blame America First.” (when in reality, its because of people like Jeane Kirkpatrick that we supported the Baath Party and Saddam Hussein in the first place)
Joe didn’t agree with American policy in this case, and if that makes him a traitor, then I want you to stand up right now and say that you agree with every single peice of policy enacted by Bill Clinton, otherwise you’re just a dirty America hating traitor as well.
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Boys - please….it’s a new year, let’s play nice for a minute…
Sean in answer to your demand - how about the SEVENTEEN UN RESOLUTIONS that Saddam was in violation of. Which country brought them to the table? Can you say the United States? How is that not diplomatic?
Regarding his trial - whether you like it or approve of it or not, Saddam was tried by his country’s government. It really does not matter if it meets YOUR standards or not, it is the Iraqi government who tried him - it is their standards and their laws that he was tried under. Neither you nor I have any say in how the Iraqi government runs their business.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Lady Logician–
Why didn’t Saddam get tried for killing thousands of Kurds in Halabja? It’s was decided by most everyone who saw it as an act of genocide? I mean really– a crime with 180 people dead? At least that many people died last year in Uzbekistan and the worst they got was a public comment by the Bush administration.
Could it be that the Iraqi Government thought it was in it’s best interests to try and avoid trying Saddam for something that the United States was through either sins of comission or omission (like the slaughter of kurds after the Gulf War) that the US was involved with?
And, what you say “Neither you nor I have any say in how the Iraqi government runs their business.” directly contradicts what both Andy and Swiftee have said which is that when their interests interfere with our interests we do have a say in how they run their business.
And, given your new found love and respect for the UN– I can only guess you’re supporting military action against the Sudan, Pakistan, or say… Israel who are all operating in defiance of UN resolutions.
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pm
WOW. On sooooo many levels.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Dear Andy–
Just an FYI– if you communicate better than that, you might have more luck convincing voters of the rightiousness of your cause.
Other wise you can just keep to the internet activism, although given the fact that Ron Carey still reigns over the MNGoop you might not be doing too well on that front either.
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Here’s a tissue Sean…wipe your chin.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Sean - Saddam was on trial for one of the Kurdish massacres when he was executed. They had the evidence for this one. The larger of the Kurdish massacres had no witnesses. They were either murdered or were too afraid of the government to testify.
Regardless of what you or AAA or Swiftee want, the Iraqi government is sovereign. We are only their at their convenience. We overstep our authority and we are gone…We can not interfere in their judiciary.
Regarding my “newfound love and respect” for the UN….you lefties are the ones who worship at the altar of UN sanction. The UN didn’t want us to go into Iraq and the left screamed that we went in without “authority”. Are you now suggesting that we go into the Sudan without appropriate UN approval?????
I have news for you on Israel. If we go after them for “human rights violations” then we had best go after Syria, Iran and Palestine. Are you up for that action too?
LL
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I’m sorry Lady Logician, I don’t see anywhere on here where I am worshipping at the alter of the UN– but that won’t ever matter to you, will it? It’s just easier to say you ‘lefties’.
Republicans have been marginalizing the UN as an institution since Robert Taft, going so far as to block paying of UN dues for quite a while. And I just find it kind of ironic that you trot around flouting UN resolutions, when you I would bet, and some of the Republicans in this country have never believed in the viability of the organization to begin with.
LL– you don’t have any news for me– unlike swiftee I am no drooling retard– I just was highlighting the absurdity of your argument that if somehow violating UN resolutions was an occupation worthy offense, you and swiftee and residue are going to have a lot of wars to gear up for.
To go a little further, your comment about “the Iraqi govm’t is soverign” is kind of absurd. America and people like Jeane Kirkpatrick, and swiftnutz have never lost sleep about violating the soverignty of any Government it should so choose. So much so that the CIA helped the Baath party in Iraq assassinate the leader of the country in the 60’s because he wasn’t as receptive to American interests as the Baath party was (with the appropriate money and gun shipments of course).
We didn’t care about the soverign government of Iran or Chile but we thought that daddy knew better, so we did that special black hand thing we do.
Don’t try and baffle me with bullshit, the American government respects the soverignty of governments that it chooses to, and only if they’re going to be friendly to the American government.
Finally– that there was enough evidence to convict of this crime but there wasn’t of the murders in Halabja (using planes that we gave to him btw) is pretty damn absurd. It would be like saying “You have to prosecute the Nazi’s for that one village they burned down first, because the holocaust is gonna be harder to pin on them.”
Dont be stupid LL.
I just saw Pogie on TV– gosh hes a dashing fella.
Sean
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Here’s another tissue Sean….oh hell, keep the box.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:14 pm
LL…starting to see why I refuse to entertain the thought of any discussion with lefties? You’ll have better luck getting a cogent response from a Pez dispenser…trust me on this
Sean, about that Pogie thing you got going….maybe you should invest in some wet wipes…I hear they are good for sudden spills and will help with that nasty chin chaffing too…..
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 pm
“I challenged the patriotism of people who disagree with America.”
America being, like, what I think it is all by myself late at night after a six pack of Milwaukee’s Best, a package of Twinkies, and five hours of reading Little Green Footballs.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm
So because others violate the sovereignity of other governments we should continue to do so? Tell me Sean, were you so gung ho to go into Saddam’s Iraq? You ready for us to invade Iran? Or are we supposed to only go into the countries you approve of and if so who died and made you President?
“Dont be stupid LL. ”
So this is how you back up your opinion - call those who disagree with you stupid?
LL
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 pm
LL! I never said that the Government of the United States of America should go around violating the sovereignty of other Governments. Just that a Government being soverign has never stopped us from interfereing in its soverign affairs before. Not a judgement call, just a statement of fact. One you couldn’t seem to refute.
And saying “don’t be stupid” is no more or less a statement of fact than calling me a lefty. You were being stupid in trying to argue that Saddam Hussein was tried first for a reasonably small massacre because “The larger of the Kurdish massacres had no witnesses. They were either murdered or were too afraid of the government to testify.”
Which is well… stupid.
Which by the way, you didn’t have any logical refutation for either. Just victimization. God you Republicans playing the whiners all the time. Thats why you’re such losers, always with the whining and victimization and never with standing up and taking charge of your destiny.
So, just to follow up:
1.Do you dispute that several times in the last oh, 40 years, the United States has violated the soverignty of certian countries that benefitted our interest? You’re strangely silent on that charge.
2.That Republicans have been marginalizing the UN for the last 50 years, from Robert Taft to Walrus Whatshisnuts– and trying to use that organization then as a valid cause for going to war is kind of silly– figuring as you’ve spent the last 50 years complaining about how worthless it is?
3.Do you support every policy of the Clinton administration, or like Joe Bodell, do you disagree with America, and ergo, are a dirty America hating traitor?
Sean