Comments on: Take This Cob and Shove It #3 http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/ A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:01:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: e85prices http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-42628 e85prices Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:19:47 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-42628 Andy any specific reason why you a bitter SOB ? The price of E85 in Minnesota is good enough that MOST drivers are coming out ahead. I know this for fact despite your ramblings and the nonsense you are getting from GM mechanics on E20 let alone E85. (GM wants to sell new cars they don't want you spending a few hundred to convert your current vehicle) ANY vehicle can run E85 (let alone E85) ..We have millions of miles of proof via our websites. The only difference between a FFV and a Non FFV is the computer programming and sometimes larger fuel injectors.. The FACT is it cost the Auto Industry less the $100 to convert any vehicle to a E85 FFV . And why is it in all your ramblings about cost you never want to discuss BLOOD.. let alone the trillions we spend protecting our Oil interest in the Middle East . Ethanol is FAR less expensive than Blood ..you think that's just BS ? Here is a post on one of our forums by a Retired Military Captain <strong>P.S.- Dan- I think you'll appreciate this: I'm a retired military Captain. I buy E85 to keep my fellow soldiers alive. If we switched much more to ethanol we could save lives.</strong> Andy you have a entertaining website but you screw with the facts so much it is difficult for anyone to really take you seriously..I suppose maybe that's your goal entertainment over facts? E85 really is Choice Fuel .. yes it receives subsides just like the Oil Companies Gasoline does with the exception that Ethanol doesn't require any blood .. we don't have to die for it we don't have to kill for it .. Before you blow your top I'd like to say I do agree with you on mandated ethanol as an additive.. (up-to E10) E10 really does very little for the consumer..there is no Choice at the pump it is simply added to all gasoline in MN .. no competition between Ethanol Industry and Oil Companies..in fact it makes for a cozy relationship because 99% of all ethanol produced is sold directly to the Oil companies who do the blending and get the blending credits ..the very Industry the Ethanol Industry should be competing against (alternative fuels .E20 , E40 , E85.. against the Oil Companies Unleaded . E10 is the gravy train for Ethanol and Oil.. E85 on the other hand actually requires an investment to build out ..to add stations to add tanks and pumps etc.. The Subsidies for E10 should end ..separation between Ethanol and Oil should end .. the way to do that is to move the blending credits the Oil Companies get on E10 to incentify the Ethanol Industry to set up their own E85 Retail infrastructure and add blending pumps ..Blending Pumps are key. A Blender Pump is a Gas Pump that has 2 tanks underground..one tank holds Gasoline the other Ethanol (the blending is done as the consunmer picks a fuel).. The Consumer then has CHOICE (not mandate) and can choose between Unleaded , E10, E20, E30 or E85 AND the gives Ethanol a real ability to actually compete against oil ( Moving the blending credit away from Oil and to the Ethanol Industry) Any real anger at ethanol subsidies should be focused on the fact the it is the Oil Industry getting the credits (not the ethanol industry)..we are paying scrooge ..that should be the outrage IMO Dan McCullough E85Prices.com Andy any specific reason why you a bitter SOB ?

The price of E85 in Minnesota is good enough that MOST drivers are coming out ahead. I know this for fact despite your ramblings and the nonsense you are getting from GM mechanics on E20 let alone E85. (GM wants to sell new cars they don’t want you spending a few hundred to convert your current vehicle)

ANY vehicle can run E85 (let alone E85) ..We have millions of miles of proof via our websites.

The only difference between a FFV and a Non FFV is the computer programming and sometimes larger fuel injectors.. The FACT is it cost the Auto Industry less the $100 to convert any vehicle to a E85 FFV .

And why is it in all your ramblings about cost you never want to discuss BLOOD.. let alone the trillions we spend protecting our Oil interest in the Middle East . Ethanol is FAR less expensive than Blood ..you think that’s just BS ? Here is a post on one of our forums by a Retired Military Captain

P.S.- Dan-
I think you’ll appreciate this:

I’m a retired military Captain. I buy E85 to keep my fellow soldiers alive. If we switched much more to ethanol we could save lives.

Andy you have a entertaining website but you screw with the facts so much it is difficult for anyone to really take you seriously..I suppose maybe that’s your goal entertainment over facts?

E85 really is Choice Fuel .. yes it receives subsides just like the Oil Companies Gasoline does with the exception that Ethanol doesn’t require any blood .. we don’t have to die for it we don’t have to kill for it ..

Before you blow your top I’d like to say I do agree with you on mandated ethanol as an additive.. (up-to E10) E10 really does very little for the consumer..there is no Choice at the pump it is simply added to all gasoline in MN ..

no competition between Ethanol Industry and Oil Companies..in fact it makes for a cozy relationship because 99% of all ethanol produced is sold directly to the Oil companies who do the blending and get the blending credits ..the very Industry the Ethanol Industry should be competing against (alternative fuels .E20 , E40 , E85.. against the Oil Companies Unleaded .

E10 is the gravy train for Ethanol and Oil.. E85 on the other hand actually requires an investment to build out ..to add stations to add tanks and pumps etc..

The Subsidies for E10 should end ..separation between Ethanol and Oil should end .. the way to do that is to move the blending credits the Oil Companies get on E10 to incentify the Ethanol Industry to set up their own E85 Retail infrastructure and add blending pumps ..Blending Pumps are key. A Blender Pump is a Gas Pump that has 2 tanks underground..one tank holds Gasoline the other Ethanol (the blending is done as the consunmer picks a fuel)..

The Consumer then has CHOICE (not mandate) and can choose between Unleaded , E10, E20, E30 or E85 AND the gives Ethanol a real ability to actually compete against oil ( Moving the blending credit away from Oil and to the Ethanol Industry)

Any real anger at ethanol subsidies should be focused on the fact the it is the Oil Industry getting the credits (not the ethanol industry)..we are paying scrooge ..that should be the outrage IMO

Dan McCullough
E85Prices.com

]]> By: swiftee http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21916 swiftee Sat, 26 Aug 2006 05:30:40 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21916 Fuckin' lung! Popped up from the fever swamp again I see. And what was this: "If you don’t want to use E85, that’s your choice. " Err, yeah...but why do I have to subsidize a worthless product? I reeeealy hope you start in on this crap lung, E85 is the environmentalists tar baby...oh, not like anything as trivial as an actual FACT would slow you down. Fuckin’ lung! Popped up from the fever swamp again I see. And what was this:

“If you don’t want to use E85, that’s your choice. ”

Err, yeah…but why do I have to subsidize a worthless product? I reeeealy hope you start in on this crap lung, E85 is the environmentalists tar baby…oh, not like anything as trivial as an actual FACT would slow you down.

]]> By: PRofMN http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21913 PRofMN Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:20:51 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21913 Doesn't Pawlenty basically want to sue oil companies that do not mandate E-85... WHY do you support this guy? Doesn’t Pawlenty basically want to sue oil companies that do not mandate E-85… WHY do you support this guy?

]]> By: Andy http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21909 Andy Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:20:47 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21909 Lung Ass Bob, You're lying to them and you know it. All the talking points supporting E85/E20/E10 are easily defunked. It is a boondoggle based on junk science and misleading advertising by hacks like you. You're leading the charge against American free will and liberty by forcing politicians to pander due to your fraudulent campaign for this crap. You're not providing choice, you're providing false information that is influencing peoples choice. I certainly hope your misguided organization had to pay to have a fluff piece like that printed. Everyone else has to pay for ads in the paper. Lung Ass Bob,

You’re lying to them and you know it. All the talking points supporting E85/E20/E10 are easily defunked. It is a boondoggle based on junk science and misleading advertising by hacks like you. You’re leading the charge against American free will and liberty by forcing politicians to pander due to your fraudulent campaign for this crap.

You’re not providing choice, you’re providing false information that is influencing peoples choice. I certainly hope your misguided organization had to pay to have a fluff piece like that printed. Everyone else has to pay for ads in the paper.

]]> By: bobby B http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21908 bobby B Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:01:28 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21908 Choice? The choice is being made by the station owners, not the drivers. How many people even notice the E85 designation? Do a quick poll of your friends, and most will look at you blankly. Some will tell you they assumed it was a cleaning additive. To our unknowing credit (ignorance really can be bliss), this will bring more money into the corn belt than was coming in before, so our boats will rise faster than, say, the boats in New Orleans. (Okay, bad example . . .) But, truly, given the real cost to manufacture, and the mileage drop, E85 is the AlGore solution - i.e., an unscientific answer to a meaningless question. Choice?

The choice is being made by the station owners, not the drivers. How many people even notice the E85 designation? Do a quick poll of your friends, and most will look at you blankly. Some will tell you they assumed it was a cleaning additive.

To our unknowing credit (ignorance really can be bliss), this will bring more money into the corn belt than was coming in before, so our boats will rise faster than, say, the boats in New Orleans. (Okay, bad example . . .) But, truly, given the real cost to manufacture, and the mileage drop, E85 is the AlGore solution - i.e., an unscientific answer to a meaningless question.

]]> By: marcus aurelius http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21907 marcus aurelius Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:58:18 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21907 Between supporting smoking bans and E85 Governor Pawlenty seems to be acting like a puppet to the American Lung Association.....Here's one more conservative who WON"T vote for RINO Tim Pawlenty....Tim "the era of small government is over" Pawlenty, do us all a favor and join the DFL party already......I'm sure Bob the Lunger can show you the secret handshake to get you in the door. Between supporting smoking bans and E85 Governor Pawlenty seems to be acting like a puppet to the American Lung Association…..Here’s one more conservative who WON”T vote for RINO Tim Pawlenty….Tim “the era of small government is over” Pawlenty, do us all a favor and join the DFL party already……I’m sure Bob the Lunger can show you the secret handshake to get you in the door.

]]> By: Bob from the ALAMN http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21906 Bob from the ALAMN Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:17:04 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21906 Gee, Andy, I thought the story came out pretty well. The story was about E85 sales being up sharply in Minnesota -- and they are. Informed owners of flexible fuel vehicles have the choice of what type of fuel they want to buy -- gasoline or E85. Increasingly, more Minnesotans are chosing E85. If you don't want to use E85, that's your choice. Clearly, many Minnesotans have decided to use the clean air choice in their vehicles. Good for them -- good for Minnesota. Gee, Andy, I thought the story came out pretty well. The story was about E85 sales being up sharply in Minnesota — and they are. Informed owners of flexible fuel vehicles have the choice of what type of fuel they want to buy — gasoline or E85. Increasingly, more Minnesotans are chosing E85.

If you don’t want to use E85, that’s your choice. Clearly, many Minnesotans have decided to use the clean air choice in their vehicles. Good for them — good for Minnesota.

]]> By: sam http://www.residualforces.com/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21901 sam Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:14:27 +0000 http://www.residualforces.com/http:/residualforces.com/index.php/2006/08/25/take-this-cob-and-shove-it-3/#comment-21901 So which candidates for Governor are pushing for E-85? How about which Senate candidates talk about evil big oil and pushed for more ethanol? So which candidates for Governor are pushing for E-85?

How about which Senate candidates talk about evil big oil and pushed for more ethanol?

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