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	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
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		<title>By: Tony G</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-13104</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Face it, the socialists of Minnesota lie to the voters about LGA...and the fact that the average person has no clue what the truth is (LGA was welfare for cities to let cities avoid having to make their own tough budgeting decisions, and to prop up poorly run municipalities) are dumb.  The fact that an electorate can be swayed by "October surprises" supports the idea that the electorate is dumb.  The fact that they voted for Jesse thinking he was different from other politicians proves they are dumb.

What was the lie about gay marriage?  The urgency?  Give me a break.  If that is the barometer for "lie" then it is safe to say that 100% of politicians lie everytime they open their mouths.  Poor standard (and wrong).

As for the (incorrect) claim about gay marriage not being able to happen in Minnesota, please answer this.  If a couple marries in MA and then moves to MN, do they get married benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Face it, the socialists of Minnesota lie to the voters about LGA&#8230;and the fact that the average person has no clue what the truth is (LGA was welfare for cities to let cities avoid having to make their own tough budgeting decisions, and to prop up poorly run municipalities) are dumb.  The fact that an electorate can be swayed by &#8220;October surprises&#8221; supports the idea that the electorate is dumb.  The fact that they voted for Jesse thinking he was different from other politicians proves they are dumb.</p>
<p>What was the lie about gay marriage?  The urgency?  Give me a break.  If that is the barometer for &#8220;lie&#8221; then it is safe to say that 100% of politicians lie everytime they open their mouths.  Poor standard (and wrong).</p>
<p>As for the (incorrect) claim about gay marriage not being able to happen in Minnesota, please answer this.  If a couple marries in MA and then moves to MN, do they get married benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-13035</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eva, let me guess, this is you being Republican again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva, let me guess, this is you being Republican again?</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Young</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-13021</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to know what is impressive about Tinklenberg.  I don't know many DFLers who are impressed by him.  

It will be very interesting to see how well the DFL database will work should Lourey or Kelley win the DFL endorsement and face Hatch and Doran in the primary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know what is impressive about Tinklenberg.  I don&#8217;t know many DFLers who are impressed by him.  </p>
<p>It will be very interesting to see how well the DFL database will work should Lourey or Kelley win the DFL endorsement and face Hatch and Doran in the primary.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12934</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know its also not a good political strategy to call voters dumb.  I think voters have the facts on LGA and they understood why their local officials were put into the position they were.  And talk about lying, no city cut police and fire first, or raised taxes first.

Lets see, lies of the GOP.  Can I please start with Gay Marriage?  At the national level it was crisis mode in 2004 before the elections, now that W. got reelected, I have not heard him or anyone in Washington talk about a marriage ammendment.  In Minnesota, our DOMA legislation has been court tested and passed the test.  There is no "danger" of gay marriage happening here.  You are using social conservatices for their votes.  I don't blame Bachmann, I think she is just crazy enough to believe what she spouts off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know its also not a good political strategy to call voters dumb.  I think voters have the facts on LGA and they understood why their local officials were put into the position they were.  And talk about lying, no city cut police and fire first, or raised taxes first.</p>
<p>Lets see, lies of the GOP.  Can I please start with Gay Marriage?  At the national level it was crisis mode in 2004 before the elections, now that W. got reelected, I have not heard him or anyone in Washington talk about a marriage ammendment.  In Minnesota, our DOMA legislation has been court tested and passed the test.  There is no &#8220;danger&#8221; of gay marriage happening here.  You are using social conservatices for their votes.  I don&#8217;t blame Bachmann, I think she is just crazy enough to believe what she spouts off.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12933</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political buzz words?  You mean like communist or socialist?  No, just giving you the title that you deserve.  Why run from the title?  Conservatives embrace their title.  Hell, I even embrace "evil conservative".  Stop running from your true self young Anikin.

Voters are not rejecting LGA cuts...they have been lied to about what the impact REALLY is.  The truth is only that it is up to their local officials to run their locality properly.  You guys (the Socialists) keep lying by blaming cuts by the cities on the state instead of holding the people who actually think that the first cut in a city should be fire/police.  The ones who cut fire/police first are the ones you should howl at.  Instead you have lied to the populace (and they are dumb in general, thus following your drumbeat lies).

Be honest about who made the cuts in fire/police and THEN you can claim the voters reject the idea.

Why did I leave the Democrat party in 1991?  Because the lies like this are the norm.  Why did I join the GOP in 1994?  Because the issues were being framed honestly, even if I did not agree with a lot of them it was that honesty in discourse that won me over.  And when I talk to people one-on-one that is what I point out.

The norm for the DFL is to lie about who is to blame, who did what, why things happen...and worse is that it is intentional.

Look at the GOP.  We have debates about if a balanced budget amendment is proper.  Hard to lie to the people about the issue when the discussion is also being waged internally.  The DFL would rather make some rationalization why one is better, silence those that disagree and then mislead the people in the issue.

Embrace your ideas and let those win or lose.  Don't try to win on lies.  Those who are smart enough to recognize it see that as a last ditch effort to save a losing idea...which is what you are doing with LGA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political buzz words?  You mean like communist or socialist?  No, just giving you the title that you deserve.  Why run from the title?  Conservatives embrace their title.  Hell, I even embrace &#8220;evil conservative&#8221;.  Stop running from your true self young Anikin.</p>
<p>Voters are not rejecting LGA cuts&#8230;they have been lied to about what the impact REALLY is.  The truth is only that it is up to their local officials to run their locality properly.  You guys (the Socialists) keep lying by blaming cuts by the cities on the state instead of holding the people who actually think that the first cut in a city should be fire/police.  The ones who cut fire/police first are the ones you should howl at.  Instead you have lied to the populace (and they are dumb in general, thus following your drumbeat lies).</p>
<p>Be honest about who made the cuts in fire/police and THEN you can claim the voters reject the idea.</p>
<p>Why did I leave the Democrat party in 1991?  Because the lies like this are the norm.  Why did I join the GOP in 1994?  Because the issues were being framed honestly, even if I did not agree with a lot of them it was that honesty in discourse that won me over.  And when I talk to people one-on-one that is what I point out.</p>
<p>The norm for the DFL is to lie about who is to blame, who did what, why things happen&#8230;and worse is that it is intentional.</p>
<p>Look at the GOP.  We have debates about if a balanced budget amendment is proper.  Hard to lie to the people about the issue when the discussion is also being waged internally.  The DFL would rather make some rationalization why one is better, silence those that disagree and then mislead the people in the issue.</p>
<p>Embrace your ideas and let those win or lose.  Don&#8217;t try to win on lies.  Those who are smart enough to recognize it see that as a last ditch effort to save a losing idea&#8230;which is what you are doing with LGA.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12909</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, all I wanted to hear is that you think LGA should be cut.  The voters have already rejected that idea, so keep with it.  If you want to over simplify me down to some good political buzz words, that's fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, all I wanted to hear is that you think LGA should be cut.  The voters have already rejected that idea, so keep with it.  If you want to over simplify me down to some good political buzz words, that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12906</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and, LGA was nothing more than a socialist wet dream.

To use your example, if a company relies so heavily on ONE vendor and (1) does not diversify at any point or (2) efficiently reorganizes after the loss of that ONE vendor, then yes, the company is very poorly run.

If a city finds it necessary to cut fire and police rather than cutting school administration, teachers, city officials, staffing the city center, etc. then yes, they are poorly managed as well.

Bottom line...LGA should have been cut.  Balancing the playing field between low tax and high tax areas?  That is the job of the localities NOT the state.  If a low tax area needs more money they need to raise it within their community.

I understand why you don't like that concept.  If people are actually held directly accountable for raising taxes then your drive for a communist nation would come to an end.  Keeping the state or federal legislators in control of raising taxes put a cushion between the voters and the tax-hikers (how can I vote Boxer or Feinstein out of office?).  That makes it easier for communists like yourself to keep on your effort to kill capitalism (you do after all intentionally lie about medicine being a "necessity" and attack profits).

It would be so much more credible if you would just be honest about your panacea: a model of economy closer to the former Soviet Union than to any semblance of capitalism.

Until then we will just have to accept you for what you are: a facade afraid to be true to your own pursuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and, LGA was nothing more than a socialist wet dream.</p>
<p>To use your example, if a company relies so heavily on ONE vendor and (1) does not diversify at any point or (2) efficiently reorganizes after the loss of that ONE vendor, then yes, the company is very poorly run.</p>
<p>If a city finds it necessary to cut fire and police rather than cutting school administration, teachers, city officials, staffing the city center, etc. then yes, they are poorly managed as well.</p>
<p>Bottom line&#8230;LGA should have been cut.  Balancing the playing field between low tax and high tax areas?  That is the job of the localities NOT the state.  If a low tax area needs more money they need to raise it within their community.</p>
<p>I understand why you don&#8217;t like that concept.  If people are actually held directly accountable for raising taxes then your drive for a communist nation would come to an end.  Keeping the state or federal legislators in control of raising taxes put a cushion between the voters and the tax-hikers (how can I vote Boxer or Feinstein out of office?).  That makes it easier for communists like yourself to keep on your effort to kill capitalism (you do after all intentionally lie about medicine being a &#8220;necessity&#8221; and attack profits).</p>
<p>It would be so much more credible if you would just be honest about your panacea: a model of economy closer to the former Soviet Union than to any semblance of capitalism.</p>
<p>Until then we will just have to accept you for what you are: a facade afraid to be true to your own pursuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tinklenberg?  When we interviewed him on our show he was, well, unimpressive as an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tinklenberg?  When we interviewed him on our show he was, well, unimpressive as an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/12/29/a-party-in-need-of-a-leader/#comment-12900</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, none of us ever reads any of your posts, we just wait for a good thread to light up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, none of us ever reads any of your posts, we just wait for a good thread to light up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LGA et. al. realtes to the post because your top spokespeople, Pawlenty, Strom, Anderson Awada, etc. advocated the cuts.  

But from your last post, I won't let some of that go unresponded to:  you pushed for cutting funding from the U.  Wow, take that to the voters and see what they think.  Especially the voters in Duluth, Crookston, and Morris who have benefitted nicely from state investments in the U.  Oh, and don't forget every other county in the state, since the U funds the Extension program that operates state-wide.  Yeah it sure makes sense to stop funding higher education which is why our state does so well in national and international commerce.  We really should drop our higher ed institutions to the level of, oh say, Tanzenia.

And for the record, we have some good spokespeople.  I'll take Entenza (+13 seats) and Pastor/General Johnson (+2 in an off year) any day; our new candidates look pretty good too, Lourey, Ritchie, Sande, Otto, Tinklenberg, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LGA et. al. realtes to the post because your top spokespeople, Pawlenty, Strom, Anderson Awada, etc. advocated the cuts.  </p>
<p>But from your last post, I won&#8217;t let some of that go unresponded to:  you pushed for cutting funding from the U.  Wow, take that to the voters and see what they think.  Especially the voters in Duluth, Crookston, and Morris who have benefitted nicely from state investments in the U.  Oh, and don&#8217;t forget every other county in the state, since the U funds the Extension program that operates state-wide.  Yeah it sure makes sense to stop funding higher education which is why our state does so well in national and international commerce.  We really should drop our higher ed institutions to the level of, oh say, Tanzenia.</p>
<p>And for the record, we have some good spokespeople.  I&#8217;ll take Entenza (+13 seats) and Pastor/General Johnson (+2 in an off year) any day; our new candidates look pretty good too, Lourey, Ritchie, Sande, Otto, Tinklenberg, etc.</p>
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