<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: St. Paul&#8217;s GLBT Club House- aka Discrimination Center</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/</link>
	<description>A Stream of Consciousness by Andy Aplikowski on His Life, His Politics, His Dogs, His Truck, and Whatever Pleases His Fancy</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:15:45 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: triple_a</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/comment-page-1/#comment-7753</link>
		<dc:creator>triple_a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.residualforces.com/?p=695#comment-7753</guid>
		<description>Good for you, I mean that.

But should ANY special group receive preferential treatment at the taxpayer&#039;s expense like this?

Just look at the attacks that teh boy scouts are under. They do the same sort of thing as you claim to be doing. Helping kids with confidence. Self esteem. Provide them with the tools to get through life.
SHOULD THERE BE SCOUTING SHELTERS SET UP ON PUBLIC GROUNDS AT TAXPAYER&quot;S EXPENSE?

I wish these people wouldn&#039;t be teased, but I don&#039;t know how much better it will make them to have some place to run to all the time. They are living a life that is different from most other people. They can&#039;t turn and run when ever they cross paths with some one who disagrees with them. I&#039;m not advocating discrimination, that is wrong.

If there were a heterosexual only clubhouse like this, the you know what would hit the fan. It would be called discrimintory, and you know it. Why then is it ok for these clubs to single out a specific group? 

If I was 17 and walked in saying I was being bullied at school, would you ask me if I was gay before you helped me? If so, it is discriminatory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, I mean that.</p>
<p>But should ANY special group receive preferential treatment at the taxpayer&#8217;s expense like this?</p>
<p>Just look at the attacks that teh boy scouts are under. They do the same sort of thing as you claim to be doing. Helping kids with confidence. Self esteem. Provide them with the tools to get through life.<br />
SHOULD THERE BE SCOUTING SHELTERS SET UP ON PUBLIC GROUNDS AT TAXPAYER&#8221;S EXPENSE?</p>
<p>I wish these people wouldn&#8217;t be teased, but I don&#8217;t know how much better it will make them to have some place to run to all the time. They are living a life that is different from most other people. They can&#8217;t turn and run when ever they cross paths with some one who disagrees with them. I&#8217;m not advocating discrimination, that is wrong.</p>
<p>If there were a heterosexual only clubhouse like this, the you know what would hit the fan. It would be called discrimintory, and you know it. Why then is it ok for these clubs to single out a specific group? </p>
<p>If I was 17 and walked in saying I was being bullied at school, would you ask me if I was gay before you helped me? If so, it is discriminatory!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/comment-page-1/#comment-7751</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.residualforces.com/?p=695#comment-7751</guid>
		<description>Out for Equity, and the Safe Space Lab, are intended for use for glbt students and their friends.  

We have a good mix of all sexual orientations at our events.

Imagine trying to help another subset of students (Hmong students, or special ed students) and receiving comments that you&#039;re discriminating because you&#039;re trying to address an entire populations differences in learning styles.  Whether you approve of homosexuality or not, due to constant teasing and harassment these students grades suffer - we&#039;re trying to help them.

Trust me - I work there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out for Equity, and the Safe Space Lab, are intended for use for glbt students and their friends.  </p>
<p>We have a good mix of all sexual orientations at our events.</p>
<p>Imagine trying to help another subset of students (Hmong students, or special ed students) and receiving comments that you&#8217;re discriminating because you&#8217;re trying to address an entire populations differences in learning styles.  Whether you approve of homosexuality or not, due to constant teasing and harassment these students grades suffer &#8211; we&#8217;re trying to help them.</p>
<p>Trust me &#8211; I work there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: triple_a</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/comment-page-1/#comment-7047</link>
		<dc:creator>triple_a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.residualforces.com/?p=695#comment-7047</guid>
		<description>It is advertised as gay only. IE heterosexuals need not apply. 

I hear the proponents of gay marriage claim disrimination all the time, but this time the shoe is on the other foot, isn&#039;t it?

On another note, why should the city taxpayers pay for another city&#039;s kids? 

I&#039;m not entirely polished on my boy scouts, but I do not remember being asked what sexual preference I had. The children are with out any judgement, ALL are welcome. To be a boy scout in NO way means that you are straight.

Are you trying to imply that  the boy scouts do absolutely no public good? Would you like to see them banned from fair (i do mean fair) and equal use of public facilities? Did you know that one of the reasons that the Marines support the boy scouts is that many of their kids are in the boy scouts? 

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005946
&quot;But so what? The military earns a lot of public goodwill and A.P. Hill&#039;s soldiers learn a thing or two in helping to put up a temporary city and police 35,000 energetic teenage males. The Army even comes out ahead financially. The Scouts expect to spend $29 million on next year&#039;s Jamboree--and that&#039;s on top of the $12 million or more that they&#039;ve already put into the base&#039;s permanent infrastructure. The military and other civilian groups make use of those facilities when the Scouts aren&#039;t there, which is all but nine days every four years.&quot;

Hum, now what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is advertised as gay only. IE heterosexuals need not apply. </p>
<p>I hear the proponents of gay marriage claim disrimination all the time, but this time the shoe is on the other foot, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>On another note, why should the city taxpayers pay for another city&#8217;s kids? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely polished on my boy scouts, but I do not remember being asked what sexual preference I had. The children are with out any judgement, ALL are welcome. To be a boy scout in NO way means that you are straight.</p>
<p>Are you trying to imply that  the boy scouts do absolutely no public good? Would you like to see them banned from fair (i do mean fair) and equal use of public facilities? Did you know that one of the reasons that the Marines support the boy scouts is that many of their kids are in the boy scouts? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005946" rel="nofollow">http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005946</a><br />
&#8220;But so what? The military earns a lot of public goodwill and A.P. Hill&#8217;s soldiers learn a thing or two in helping to put up a temporary city and police 35,000 energetic teenage males. The Army even comes out ahead financially. The Scouts expect to spend $29 million on next year&#8217;s Jamboree&#8211;and that&#8217;s on top of the $12 million or more that they&#8217;ve already put into the base&#8217;s permanent infrastructure. The military and other civilian groups make use of those facilities when the Scouts aren&#8217;t there, which is all but nine days every four years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hum, now what?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.residualforces.com/2005/10/21/st-pauls-glbt-club-house-aka-discrimination-center/comment-page-1/#comment-6383</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.residualforces.com/?p=695#comment-6383</guid>
		<description>The article does say &quot;Any interested St. Paul teen may use the center, Horowitz said. All students must go through a screening process that includes orientation and a pledge to follow the center&#039;s rules.&quot; I can see how Minneapolis teens may feel discrimination because they aren&#039;t from St. Paul, but anyone can use it. And there are plenty of publicly funded groups that discriminate. 

The Boy Scouts are a prime example, it may not be all white, but it&#039;s definitely all heterosexual male: &quot;The Boy Scouts enjoys massive and unique tax-funded support from governments both local and federal. On the local level, for example, the city of San Diego was targeted because it allowed the Boy Scouts&#039; headquarters to operate in a city-owned park for $1 per year and to use other city-owned facilities without any rent. On the federal level, the Pentagon provided an estimated $6 to $8 million from 1997 to 2001 to assist a Boy Scouts Jamboree -- an event which is traditionally held on military bases.&quot; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164547,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article does say &#8220;Any interested St. Paul teen may use the center, Horowitz said. All students must go through a screening process that includes orientation and a pledge to follow the center&#8217;s rules.&#8221; I can see how Minneapolis teens may feel discrimination because they aren&#8217;t from St. Paul, but anyone can use it. And there are plenty of publicly funded groups that discriminate. </p>
<p>The Boy Scouts are a prime example, it may not be all white, but it&#8217;s definitely all heterosexual male: &#8220;The Boy Scouts enjoys massive and unique tax-funded support from governments both local and federal. On the local level, for example, the city of San Diego was targeted because it allowed the Boy Scouts&#8217; headquarters to operate in a city-owned park for $1 per year and to use other city-owned facilities without any rent. On the federal level, the Pentagon provided an estimated $6 to $8 million from 1997 to 2001 to assist a Boy Scouts Jamboree &#8212; an event which is traditionally held on military bases.&#8221; <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164547,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164547,00.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
